Buddhist Singhalese are bloody Singhalese.

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I don’t know or care who the Tamil or Sinhalese are, and I imagine no one else does either. I just wish they would all kill each other so we wouldn’t have to be bothered with you’re off-topic posts on the subject anymore. Matt

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I don’t know or care who the Tamil or Sinhalese are, and I imagine no one else does either. I just wish they would all kill each other

You should consider going to work for the Bush administration. That way you could just go in and kill them yourself and hasten the process.  Invent any excuse, like they have weapons of mass destruction, call them evil doers, axis of evil, etc.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know or care who the Tamil or Sinhalese are, and I imagine no one else does either. I just wish they would all kill each other You should consider going to work for the Bush administration. That way you could just go in and kill them yourself and hasten the process.  Invent any excuse, like they have weapons of mass destruction, call them evil doers, axis of evil, etc.

…or democrats. — jer  email reply – I am not a ‘ten’

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US and its allies back LTTE. Do you know that?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know or care who the Tamil or Sinhalese are, and I imagine no one else does either. I just wish they would all kill each other You should consider going to work for the Bush administration. That way you could just go in and kill them yourself and hasten the process.  Invent any excuse, like they have weapons of mass destruction, call them evil doers, axis of evil, etc.

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I am not trying to tell what ever has happened is a right. Just as Tamil people there had being a huge number of deaths among Sinhalese.

I had a conviction of not trusting bloody Singhalese. These are blood thirsty animals. These monkeys are killing in the name of Buddha and claim innocent and hide under yellow robe. This article is illustrating how these educated monkeys work. I personally have experience like this. These monkeys act like innocent and recite in pali Buddha’s teaching and have killer insting like lion. My be it is their forefather’s DNA!!! – KS… http://www.sangam.org/articles/view2/?uid=591 What is the Relationship of Rama and Sita? – The Question the Sinhala Nation Asks at Dawn by D. Sivaram, Virakesari, October 10, 2004 translated by M. Thiru In response to my article last week Chandranathan has written his view. "The Sinhalese people are kept in an illusion by their leaders and opinionmakers.  Therefore, we should make a continuous effort to convince at least a few of the Sinhalese to understand our views/problems."  He sent this e-mail via the Tamilnatham website which re-posted my article from Virakesari. I am not opposing his views.  There should be no second thought about taking our reasonable views to the Sinhalese people on a regular basis.  However, my genuine concern is that we should not fall into the illusion that such acts from us will result in receiving our rights from the Sri Lankan rulers. We have been experiencing massive destruction in the last 50 years because of the acts of the Sinhala supremacists.  Yet how much effort we have put into scientifically analysing and comprehending such destruction?  Except for a few research papers in the Sari Nihar journal, I have not seen any other effort made in our Tamil intellectual circles to analyse and comprehend Sinhala Buddhist supremacy, its history, its views and its related social and psychological dimensions.  (If you know any such work, please let me know.) Recently I went to a conference that was attended by a number of professors, writers, journalists and opinionmakers from the South.   At that conference the organisers asked me to explain the political aspirations of the Tamil people.  The Tamil people and their leaders, who have been fluent in English and in Sinhalese, along with reporters, and intellectuals, all have been talking and writing what our political grievances and demands are for the last 56 years. Not only that, the Tamils have been talking with, or putting forward their demands and fighting against, the various governments by peaceful means for 28 years ( 1948 – 1976) and using armed struggle for 28 years ( 1976 – 2004).  It is a known fact that bombs went off among the Sinhalese because none of the Tamils’ political demands were met.  Even an intellectually retarded person will definitely ask questions why bombs are going off around him and why an international airport is attacked and badly damaged. But , even after all this, the Sinhalese are still asking what are the political aspirations of the Tamils and what are your demands?  Such a situation still prevails in the Sinhala nation.  "For over half a century, the Tamil people have been explaining their political aspirations and demands in and out of Parliament and in the international arena, until their jaws cannot move.  Even after all this, you are still asking me what are the Tamils’ aspirations and demands?  It is a sin.  I cannot speak about this," I told them. The sweetest matter at the conference was that the majority of the people who attended really did not know what the political demands of the Tamils are.  After all the events in the last 56 years, if they cannot comprehend what our demands are, I do not know how they are going to understand now. With regard to our political demands, the question the Sinhala nation asks is similar to someone asking in the morning, "What is Rama’s relationship with Seetha?"  after listening to the whole Ramayana epic through the night. Those who advocate that we must make the Sinhalese people understand our political demands must analyse one issue.  One has to think a little and ask, "Why is the Sinhala Nation not understanding us, even after 56 years of many talks and fights?"  "How can we now convert those who have refused to understand us, and who have not cared to understand us for over a half a century?" In this regard, we have to look at one more important point.  From the beginning of the 20th Century, the Sinhalese politicians and the opinionmakers who, at one time, understood the Tamil grievances and their reasonable political demands, have changed for the worse over time and have taken complete U-turns on the Tamil issue. Every one of you knows that, after returning from his education in England, President Chandrika’s father, SWRD Bandaranayake, advocated that Sri Lanka must be converted to a federal system with three federal regions : Kandyan region, Lower Country or Coastal region, Tamil homeland (region). What did he do after that ? Likewise, the Communist Party of Sri Lanka in its 1944 National Conference passed a resolution emphasizing that the Tamils should be granted self-rule. The same Communist Party, together with the SLFP, declared in 1972 that Sri Lanka is a Sinhala Buddhist nation. What did one of the veteran leftist leaders and a pillar of the LSSP, Colvin R de Silva, who prophesied " One language, two nations and two languages, one nation" on the implementation of Sinhala Only act in 1956, actually do?? He was the prime mover in rewriting the Sri Lankan constitution to make Sri Lanka a unitary Sinhala Buddhist state in 1972. The above are old stories that you all know.  Let us take the period in which our struggle for our rights became an armed struggle.  From the late 1970s on, the JVP emphasised that the Tamil rights for self-determination must be approved. On this basis, many Tamil youths from Batticaloa and Jaffna joined the JVP and served the JVP.  What happened after that? In 1986, Rohana Wijeyaweera, the leader of the JVP, in his long speech to the central committee of JVP, established that the Tamil liberation struggle is an imperialistic conspiracy and categorically said that it must be crushed.  His speech was compiled as a book later. To date that  book is the political bible of the JVP. Around 1973, some of the educated left wing non-JVP Sinhalese youths formed an organisation called the "Stalinist Education Circle."  This organisation gave importance to the Tamil liberation organisations, writing and speaking about them.  This organisation also established some connections with some of the armed Tamil liberation organisations.  (Pe. Muthulingam who writes for the weekend edition of Virakesari was connected to this organisation at that time.) One of the main speakers in the Stalinist Study Circle ( STC), who spoke about the Tamil rights and their right for self determination and who justified the Tamils armed struggle, was Dayan Jayatilleke.  Not only that, he and his comrades formed an armed organisation called "Vikalpa Kandayama." With the leftist ideologies as their base, the STC joined with some of the Eelam liberation organisations, and worked for the self-determination for the Tamils.  I used to meet them in Kandy and Colombo and had discussions with them. (Nobody can underestimate the impact of the analysis and sharp explanations put forward by Dayan Jayatillake on the liberation wars in the third world and on oppression by imperialists worldwide.) Vikalpa Kandayama was banned in 1986 on the accusation that it conspired to topple the Sri Lankan government.  Dayan Jayatilake went into hiding.  The Sri Lankan police and the armed forces were combing the country looking for him.  When he was about to be captured, he contacted me. Even many of the good friends of Dayan Jayatilake refused to help me when he had flee from his hiding place in Colombo.  In the end, we managed to take him from his hiding place to another safe place outside Colombo.  We did this after taking him to see the late Vijaya Kumaratunge, actor and husband of Chandrika Kumaratunge, at midnight.  Vijay Kumaratunge helped me. (In this regard, without even asking his wife Chandrika or anybody else, he helped me immediately.  He was a unique person.) Dayan Jayatilleke later escaped to India.  Then, after getting pardoned by the SL government, he came back to Sri Lanka and became a minister in a Regional Council. What is Jayatillake, a person who moved intimately with the Tamil liberation organisations, doing today?  Today, he writes without cease how the Tiger liberation struggle should be crushed. Once an extreme opponent of American imperialism Jayatillake writes week after week emphasizing that Sri Lanka should seek collaboration with theUS to crush the military power of the Tamils. In those days Jayatillake used to write and say that we must go beyond Sinhala-Tamil differences and fight against American imperialism and fight for the class struggle. Such a nice friend of mine, Dayan Jayatilleke, now writes in the Island newspaper that "We [i.e. the Sinhalese and Sinhala nation] must seek the support of the US to crush the military power of the Tamils."  What happened to him? Is that all? During the period of 1984/86, on behalf of People’s Liberation Organization of Tamil Eelam, I was involved in revolutionary work, a broad one in a united Sri Lanka, by forging alliances with Sinhalese Groups in the South. At that time, the most important connection for me in Colombo was Dr. Nalin de Silva of the Mathematics Department at Colombo University.  I used to go to his office to see two of his young students.  They were directly helping me on our political struggle.  Dr. Silva always treated me nicely.  Not a single day was he scared or frightened to socialize with … read more »

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Taking a hint, I'm out of here.

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Re: Taking a hint, I’m out of here.   Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Dec 21, 2005, 10:49pm (CST+1) From: greyhack…@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) On 21 Dec 2005 18:23:35 -0800, "Arclight" <emperor…@rogers.com> wrote: [el snippo] "How can we miss you if you won’t ever leave?"   ////////////// ahahahahahaha!!!!! I think he needs another boot in the ass, Grey.   elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum

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Re: Taking a hint, I’m out of here.   Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Dec 22, 2005, 1:39am (CST+7) From: nos…@nuncaspam.comorg (Michael

About Universal Law…

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puma yazdi: Ed , Universal Law actually in Buddhism is known as RISSHO ANKOKU RON.And has no relation with a thinly political statement or  camuouflaged mystical wisdom. Whatever you do,you will get the same. This is correct as the rays of the sun. You may check it on any media…with humans,with vejetation,or with pets, with anything!!! It has no relation with punishment or with any prise either.No Comouflage at all. It is so open FACT! With compassion, Puma

 Puma ,  Budhist path mostly misunderstood by many . This way of look is very realistic , honest and humanist , but still misunderstrood by many dogmatic minds .Specially if you live in the modern society and if you have to work to survive mostly you are very misunderstood . Most of the times you are specially pushed to get angry . Mostly you are just used . As a matter of fact you know what I mean…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ed , Universal Law actually in Buddhism is known as RISSHO ANKOKU RON.And has no relation with a thinly political statement or  camuouflaged mystical wisdom. Whatever you do,you will get the same. This is correct as the rays of the sun. You may check it on any media…with humans,with vejetation,or with pets, with anything!!! It has no relation with punishment or with any prise either.No Comouflage at all. It is so open FACT! With compassion, Puma Hi Leonard, Thanks for your interest anyway… If you believe anything that means you do not know it! If you know something that means you do not believe it! So, that means you know something allready. That is good. Universal Law is such a principle that you may verify it by yourselve…You do not need any belief…You do not need to believe me or any body else! Just say good words to your friends, he/she will enjoy it and he/she will try to say good words to you also in return…If you put some barley seeds in a piece of soil and several days later you will get barley springs… If you gaze anybody with a hateful face,you will get the same reply!All your actions even to animals or plants will give you its reply in a reciprocal way… About suffering, there are several points involved…THE TYPE OF SUFFERING IS IMPORTANT, BUDDHA did not mention this. BUT EVERYTHING has a CAUSE, without any cause no birds fly in this world! all acts have a cause! Without any cause nothing happens! Forget about all the sutras,just listen to your own voice because, MANI PADME… If you really know what this means,you may hear the voice within your deep self…If not forget it and try toget the meaning of MANI PADME, it has nothing related to flowers or to jewels!!! I love your words regarding if I eat carrots what my skin will be…Orange you said…I believe you! Because I do not know it, if  it really does! With compassion, Puma You are very passionate about it so that leaves me in some doubt about my own views. I still don’t fully support the idea of Rissho Ankoku Ron. But at least I’ll keep an eye out for it. Which idea of Rissho Ankoku Ron do you not support? That there is a link between good actions and good results and the link between bad actions and bad results. I seem to have missed that bit. Please indicate where such links are documented.

http://www.sgi-usa.org/buddhism/library/Nichiren/Gosho/RisshoAnkokuRo… I believe that actions are independent of their results. Does that go for devotion to "cause of life" too?

I believe in causes but not in the effects of causes. — Devotion to the Lotus Sutra Devotion to the cause of life.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ed , Universal Law actually in Buddhism is known as RISSHO ANKOKU RON.And has no relation with a thinly political statement or  camuouflaged mystical wisdom. Whatever you do,you will get the same. This is correct as the rays of the sun. You may check it on any media…with humans,with vejetation,or with pets, with anything!!! It has no relation with punishment or with any prise either.No Comouflage at all. It is so open FACT! With compassion, Puma Hi Leonard, Thanks for your interest anyway… If you believe anything that means you do not know it! If you know something that means you do not believe it! So, that means you know something allready. That is good. Universal Law is such a principle that you may verify it by yourselve…You do not need any belief…You do not need to believe me or any body else! Just say good words to your friends, he/she will enjoy it and he/she will try to say good words to you also in return…If you put some barley seeds in a piece of soil and several days later you will get barley springs… If you gaze anybody with a hateful face,you will get the same reply!All your actions even to animals or plants will give you its reply in a reciprocal way… About suffering, there are several points involved…THE TYPE OF SUFFERING IS IMPORTANT, BUDDHA did not mention this. BUT EVERYTHING has a CAUSE, without any cause no birds fly in this world! all acts have a cause! Without any cause nothing happens! Forget about all the sutras,just listen to your own voice because, MANI PADME… If you really know what this means,you may hear the voice within your deep self…If not forget it and try toget the meaning of MANI PADME, it has nothing related to flowers or to jewels!!! I love your words regarding if I eat carrots what my skin will be…Orange you said…I believe you! Because I do not know it, if  it really does! With compassion, Puma You are very passionate about it so that leaves me in some doubt about my own views. I still don’t fully support the idea of Rissho Ankoku Ron. But at least I’ll keep an eye out for it. Which idea of Rissho Ankoku Ron do you not support? That there is a link between good actions and good results and the link between bad actions and bad results.

I seem to have missed that bit. Please indicate where such links are documented. I believe that actions are independent of their results.

Does that go for devotion to "cause of life" too?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ed , Universal Law actually in Buddhism is known as RISSHO ANKOKU RON.And has no relation with a thinly political statement or  camuouflaged mystical wisdom. Whatever you do,you will get the same. This is correct as the rays of the sun. You may check it on any media…with humans,with vejetation,or with pets, with anything!!! It has no relation with punishment or with any prise either.No Comouflage at all. It is so open FACT! With compassion, Puma Hi Leonard, Thanks for your interest anyway… If you believe anything that means you do not know it! If you know something that means you do not believe it! So, that means you know something allready. That is good. Universal Law is such a principle that you may verify it by yourselve…You do not need any belief…You do not need to believe me or any body else! Just say good words to your friends, he/she will enjoy it and he/she will try to say good words to you also in return…If you put some barley seeds in a piece of soil and several days later you will get barley springs… If you gaze anybody with a hateful face,you will get the same reply!All your actions even to animals or plants will give you its reply in a reciprocal way… About suffering, there are several points involved…THE TYPE OF SUFFERING IS IMPORTANT, BUDDHA did not mention this. BUT EVERYTHING has a CAUSE, without any cause no birds fly in this world! all acts have a cause! Without any cause nothing happens! Forget about all the sutras,just listen to your own voice because, MANI PADME… If you really know what this means,you may hear the voice within your deep self…If not forget it and try toget the meaning of MANI PADME, it has nothing related to flowers or to jewels!!! I love your words regarding if I eat carrots what my skin will be…Orange you said…I believe you! Because I do not know it, if  it really does! With compassion, Puma You are very passionate about it so that leaves me in some doubt about my own views. I still don’t fully support the idea of Rissho Ankoku Ron. But at least I’ll keep an eye out for it. Which idea of Rissho Ankoku Ron do you not support?

That there is a link between good actions and good results and the link between bad actions and bad results. I believe that actions are independent of their results. But as I said "I’ll keep an eye on it." — Devotion to the Lotus Sutra Devotion to the cause of life.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ed , Universal Law actually in Buddhism is known as RISSHO ANKOKU RON.And has no relation with a thinly political statement or  camuouflaged mystical wisdom. Whatever you do,you will get the same. This is correct as the rays of the sun. You may check it on any media…with humans,with vejetation,or with pets, with anything!!! It has no relation with punishment or with any prise either.No Comouflage at all. It is so open FACT! With compassion, Puma Hi Leonard, Thanks for your interest anyway… If you believe anything that means you do not know it! If you know something that means you do not believe it! So, that means you know something allready. That is good. Universal Law is such a principle that you may verify it by yourselve…You do not need any belief…You do not need to believe me or any body else! Just say good words to your friends, he/she will enjoy it and he/she will try to say good words to you also in return…If you put some barley seeds in a piece of soil and several days later you will get barley springs… If you gaze anybody with a hateful face,you will get the same reply!All your actions even to animals or plants will give you its reply in a reciprocal way… About suffering, there are several points involved…THE TYPE OF SUFFERING IS IMPORTANT, BUDDHA did not mention this. BUT EVERYTHING has a CAUSE, without any cause no birds fly in this world! all acts have a cause! Without any cause nothing happens! Forget about all the sutras,just listen to your own voice because, MANI PADME… If you really know what this means,you may hear the voice within your deep self…If not forget it and try toget the meaning of MANI PADME, it has nothing related to flowers or to jewels!!! I love your words regarding if I eat carrots what my skin will be…Orange you said…I believe you! Because I do not know it, if  it really does! With compassion, Puma You are very passionate about it so that leaves me in some doubt about my own views. I still don’t fully support the idea of Rissho Ankoku Ron. But at least I’ll keep an eye out for it.

Which idea of Rissho Ankoku Ron do you not support?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ed , Universal Law actually in Buddhism is known as RISSHO ANKOKU RON.And has no relation with a thinly political statement or  camuouflaged mystical wisdom. Whatever you do,you will get the same. This is correct as the rays of the sun. You may check it on any media…with humans,with vejetation,or with pets, with anything!!! It has no relation with punishment or with any prise either.No Comouflage at all. It is so open FACT! With compassion, Puma

But it is very difficult to believe such a thing. Why should we believe in universal law when we all know that all suffering has no real cause. I’ve read of some masters who say that it is critical to enlightenment. But still I do not accept it as real. I need something more substantial than just the words of others. — Devotion to the Lotus Sutra Devotion to the cause of life.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ed , Universal Law actually in Buddhism is known as RISSHO ANKOKU RON.And has no relation with a thinly political statement or  camuouflaged mystical wisdom. Whatever you do,you will get the same. This is correct as the rays of the sun. You may check it on any media…with humans,with vejetation,or with pets, with anything!!! It has no relation with punishment or with any prise either.No Comouflage at all. It is so open FACT! With compassion, Puma Hi Leonard,

Thanks for your interest anyway… If you believe anything that means you do not know it! If you know something that means you do not believe it! So, that means you know something allready. That is good. Universal Law is such a principle that you may verify it by yourselve…You do not need any belief…You do not need to believe me or any body else! Just say good words to your friends, he/she will enjoy it and he/she will try to say good words to you also in return…If you put some barley seeds in a piece of soil and several days later you will get barley springs… If you gaze anybody with a hateful face,you will get the same reply!All your actions even to animals or plants will give you its reply in a reciprocal way… About suffering, there are several points involved…THE TYPE OF SUFFERING IS IMPORTANT, BUDDHA did not mention this. BUT EVERYTHING has a CAUSE, without any cause no birds fly in this world! all acts have a cause! Without any cause nothing happens! Forget about all the sutras,just listen to your own voice because, MANI PADME… If you really know what this means,you may hear the voice within your deep self…If not forget it and try toget the meaning of MANI PADME, it has nothing related to flowers or to jewels!!! I love your words regarding if I eat carrots what my skin will be…Orange you said…I believe you! Because I do not know it, if  it really does! With compassion, Puma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But it is very difficult to believe such a thing. Why should we believe in universal law when we all know that all suffering has no real cause. I’ve read of some masters who say that it is critical to enlightenment. But still I do not accept it as real. I need something more substantial than just the words of others. — Devotion to the Lotus Sutra Devotion to the cause of life.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ed , Universal Law actually in Buddhism is known as RISSHO ANKOKU RON.And has no relation with a thinly political statement or  camuouflaged mystical wisdom. Whatever you do,you will get the same. This is correct as the rays of the sun. You may check it on any media…with humans,with vejetation,or with pets, with anything!!! It has no relation with punishment or with any prise either.No Comouflage at all. It is so open FACT! With compassion, Puma Hi Leonard, Thanks for your interest anyway… If you believe anything that means you do not know it! If you know something that means you do not believe it! So, that means you know something allready. That is good. Universal Law is such a principle that you may verify it by yourselve…You do not need any belief…You do not need to believe me or any body else! Just say good words to your friends, he/she will enjoy it and he/she will try to say good words to you also in return…If you put some barley seeds in a piece of soil and several days later you will get barley springs… If you gaze anybody with a hateful face,you will get the same reply!All your actions even to animals or plants will give you its reply in a reciprocal way… About suffering, there are several points involved…THE TYPE OF SUFFERING IS IMPORTANT, BUDDHA did not mention this. BUT EVERYTHING has a CAUSE, without any cause no birds fly in this world! all acts have a cause! Without any cause nothing happens! Forget about all the sutras,just listen to your own voice because, MANI PADME… If you really know what this means,you may hear the voice within your deep self…If not forget it and try toget the meaning of MANI PADME, it has nothing related to flowers or to jewels!!! I love your words regarding if I eat carrots what my skin will be…Orange you said…I believe you! Because I do not know it, if  it really does! With compassion, Puma

You are very passionate about it so that leaves me in some doubt about my own views. I still don’t fully support the idea of Rissho Ankoku Ron. But at least I’ll keep an eye out for it. — Devotion to the Lotus Sutra Devotion to the cause of life.

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Thanks Julian, You are completely helpful by trying to expalin this issue. But some of these people have no idea of Budhism. So it is very hard to enlighten them, they take it  as a punishment or a prize.And some of them can not get the relation in between Action and RESULT. Any way thanks again for your kind indication. With compassion, Puma

There’s no point, as far as I’m aware, in pandering to the lowest common denominator.

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Thanks Julian, You are completely helpful by trying to expalin this issue. But some of these people have no idea of Budhism. So it is very hard to enlighten them, they take it  as a punishment or a prize.And some of them can not get the relation in between Action and RESULT. Any way thanks again for your kind indication. With compassion, Puma

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Do you think yoga might help? BTW in recovery circles those voices are called the "committee" Jared

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Ed , Universal Law actually in Buddhism is known as RISSHO ANKOKU RON.And has no relation with a thinly political statement or  camuouflaged mystical wisdom. Whatever you do,you will get the same. This is correct as the rays of the sun. You may check it on any media…with humans,with vejetation,or with pets, with anything!!! It has no relation with punishment or with any prise either.No Comouflage at all. It is so open FACT! With compassion, Puma

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | Why do poor New Orleans people have to pay for Bush bombing poor Iraqi | people? | The poor New Orleans people weren’t responsible for the bombing | of the Iraqis and are not the group who support Bush.  Why does the Univeral | Law punish them? | | -Ed | Regardless of one’s view on the USA/ Iraq situation, ‘Universal Law’ appears to be something either concocted, or subverted by someone who speaks of them self in the third person, as a thinly veiled political statement, camouflaged as some sort of mystical wisdom. Ed For those of you who take this discussion seriously I have a Website for you. http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ — ~Stu

That’s all very well, but I need something for the voices *inside* my head. ;o)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | Why do poor New Orleans people have to pay for Bush bombing poor Iraqi | people? | The poor New Orleans people weren’t responsible for the bombing | of the Iraqis and are not the group who support Bush.  Why does the Univeral | Law punish them? | | -Ed | Regardless of one’s view on the USA/ Iraq situation, ‘Universal Law’ appears to be something either concocted, or subverted by someone who speaks of them self in the third person, as a thinly veiled political statement, camouflaged as some sort of mystical wisdom. Ed

For those of you who take this discussion seriously I have a Website for you. http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ — ~Stu

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http://www.buddhistinformation.com/the_lotus_sutra_study_center/on_es… http://www.sgi-usa.org/buddhism/library/Nichiren/Gosho/RationaleRissh… http://nichirenscoffeehouse.net/Ryuei/RAR.html

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| Why do poor New Orleans people have to pay for Bush bombing poor Iraqi | people? | The poor New Orleans people weren’t responsible for the bombing | of the Iraqis and are not the group who support Bush.  Why does the Univeral | Law punish them? | | -Ed | Regardless of one’s view on the USA/ Iraq situation, ‘Universal Law’ appears to be something either concocted, or subverted by someone who speaks of them self in the third person, as a thinly veiled political statement, camouflaged as some sort of mystical wisdom. Ed

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Why do poor New Orleans people have to pay for Bush bombing poor Iraqi people? The poor New Orleans people weren’t responsible for the bombing of the Iraqis and are not the group who support Bush.  Why does the Univeral Law punish them? -Ed

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When USA has started to bomb poor IRAQ cities,and when USA had no care if it was a mosq or a hospital in IRAQ,when Mr. WALKER BUSH has put Middle East in his mind, PUMA has posted several posters here on these lines and stated that there is UNIVERSAL LAW, and it states that WHATEVER YOU DO, YOU WILL GET IT. Now universal law has just started to apply,as same logic involving… What was Mr. Walker BUSH` logic? He said that he wants only SADDAM HUSSEIN. But he just ordered to kill poor people in IRAQ…What was the reason of these innocent children or innocent old peoples`mistake and what was their wrong doings? Their only mistakes if it was  mistakes were only being IRAQI citizens… So These NEW ORLEANS peoples` mistake is being only  US CITIZENS… So Paul or others, if is there anybody who could not understand this UNIVERSAL LAW…They will for sure realize it from noz on what UNIVERSAL LAW is and how it applies. It applies same way…IF you give soil grains of wheat, you will certainly get wheat,NOT MAIZE or BARLEY… That is the UNIVERSAL LAW…. With compassion, Puma

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When USA has started to bomb poor IRAQ cities,and when USA had no care if it was a mosq or a hospital in IRAQ,when Mr. WALKER BUSH has put Middle East in his mind, PUMA has posted several posters here on these lines and stated that there is UNIVERSAL LAW, and it states that WHATEVER YOU DO, YOU WILL GET IT. Now universal law has just started to apply,as same logic involving… What was Mr. Walker BUSH` logic? He said that he wants only SADDAM HUSSEIN. But he just ordered to kill poor people in IRAQ…What was the reason of these innocent children or innocent old peoples`mistake and what was their wrong doings? Their only mistakes if it was  mistakes were only being IRAQI citizens… So These NEW ORLEANS peoples` mistake is being only  US CITIZENS… So Paul or others, if is there anybody who could not understand this UNIVERSAL LAW…They will for sure realize it from noz on what UNIVERSAL LAW is and how it applies. It applies same way…IF you give soil grains of wheat, you will certainly get wheat,NOT MAIZE or BARLEY…

Bush started a war, not a hurricane fight. That is the UNIVERSAL LAW…. With compassion, Puma

So George bush orders the slaughter, er I mean "liberation", of Iraqis and next thing you know there’s a hurricane in New Orleans! Yea it’s obviously the will of the gods, it all makes sense now. I predict that a fool will knock at your door puma spouting ill conceived nonsense about the interconnectedness of arses and elbows. Nurse, the screens please! Paul

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When USA has started to bomb poor IRAQ cities,and when USA had no care if it was a mosq or a hospital in IRAQ,when Mr. WALKER BUSH has put Middle East in his mind, PUMA has posted several posters here on these lines and stated that there is UNIVERSAL LAW, and it states that WHATEVER YOU DO, YOU WILL GET IT. Now universal law has just started to apply,as same logic involving… What was Mr. Walker BUSH` logic? He said that he wants only SADDAM HUSSEIN. But he just ordered to kill poor people in IRAQ…What was the reason of these innocent children or innocent old peoples`mistake and what was their wrong doings? Their only mistakes if it was  mistakes were only being IRAQI citizens… So These NEW ORLEANS peoples` mistake is being only  US CITIZENS… So Paul or others, if is there anybody who could not understand this UNIVERSAL LAW…They will for sure realize it from noz on what UNIVERSAL LAW is and how it applies. It applies same way…IF you give soil grains of wheat, you will certainly get wheat,NOT MAIZE or BARLEY… That is the UNIVERSAL LAW…. With compassion, Puma

You could be right or you could be wrong. Don’t let your opinion go either way. If a person eats carrots all day and all night his skin will turn orange. — Devotion to the Lotus Sutra Devotion to the cause of life.

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When USA has started to bomb poor IRAQ cities,and when USA had no care if it was a mosq or a hospital in IRAQ,when Mr. WALKER BUSH has put Middle East in his mind, PUMA has posted several posters here on these lines and stated that there is UNIVERSAL LAW, and it states that WHATEVER YOU DO, YOU WILL GET IT. Now universal law has just started to apply,as same logic involving… What was Mr. Walker BUSH` logic? He said that he wants only SADDAM HUSSEIN. But he just ordered to kill poor people in IRAQ…What was the reason of these innocent children or innocent old peoples`mistake and what was their wrong doings? Their only mistakes if it was  mistakes were only being IRAQI citizens… So These NEW ORLEANS peoples` mistake is being only  US CITIZENS… So Paul or others, if is there anybody who could not understand this UNIVERSAL LAW…They will for sure realize it from noz on what UNIVERSAL LAW is and how it applies. It applies same way…IF you give soil grains of wheat, you will certainly get wheat,NOT MAIZE or BARLEY… That is the UNIVERSAL LAW…. With compassion, Puma

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HW MH RAMA KRISHNA CHARGED VIVEKANANDA!

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Come come … Say one kind and good thing.

"my bad". i got carried away in the problems of sansara. we are here to help.

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even a saint cannot give generosity and compassion to another. these appear as a result of the individual’s evolution and understanding. the lack of comfort, and excessive competition and suffering in today’s 
 world is because that is the way it should be. as a society, we deserve what we are getting, because at the root of this 
 society is greed, fear, insecurity, etc. "my bad". i got carried away in the problems of sansara. we are here to help. 


Anon, Well if that’s you when you’re bad, I can’t wait to see you when you’re good Not only did I think your comments were "right on the money" but personally I thought what you said was exceptionally good and very kind. If I had a booger hanging from my nose I would appreciate you telling me, even if painful and embarrassing for the both of us. This I would consider truly kind. I would respect you for having the courage and the compassion to suffer that awkward moment with me. For all those who thought they were being kind by not saying anything and allowing me to look a fool, I would grieve for them, their lack of courage. Sometimes compassion dictates that we "hurt" someone else (and therefore ourselves) in discharging our duty. Have you ever lanced a boil for someone or informed them their lover was cheating on them? IME (in my experience) compassion requires courage and stomach and is not for the weak. BTW I do believe it is spelled samsara (with an m Jared

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who has a genuine abundance to give to the world? Only a person of Tao. even a saint cannot give generosity and compassion to another. these appear as a result of the individual’s evolution and understanding. the lack of comfort, and excessive competition and suffering in today’s world is because that is the way it should be. as a society, we deserve what we are getting, because at the root of this society is greed, fear, insecurity, etc.

To paraphrase one great sage, "Your world is your idea."

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Your welcome and thank-you for the thoroughly gracious and utterly appropriate admonition Jared

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BTW I do believe it is spelled samsara (with an m

Jared, thanks for the kind words. i am a native hindi speaker and i can assure you the correct word is pronounced as with an "n". for some reason when the sanskrit words were transcribed to english things were not done the obvious way. so yes, today in roman letters the "m" would make more sense as that has become the norm.

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the lack of comfort, and excessive competition and suffering in today’s world is because that is the way it should be. This is like the crappy parent’s "Don’t make me hit you" and "You got what you deserved, you little ****".  There is nothing like the self-flagellation of this mindset to create suffering in the world.  The evil is in a parent instilling in a child’s mind that they are worthless and undeserving. (and deserve to be hit)

if it seemed that way, it is not what i meant. i wanted to point out the causality in the mess in the societies. if there is suffering, there is a cause for the suffering. causality does not amount to pointing fingers, IMO. it is important to know the causality to fix the problem. you can’t fix it if you don’t know what’s broken, and why. to help prevent suffering, is compassion.

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My dear Anon, I appreciate your reasoning.Meantime I notice your following words; "there is happiness. there is suffering. there is cause of suffering. some actions lead to happiness. some to suffering. this is causality. not right and wrong. " If right and wrong are absent,then HAPPINES and SUFFERING are also absent.These only according to  the sensual standards of a person… Same logic helps my explanation too… If we want, we can create all the situations…But we can not create REALITY… Reality is like the sun. Everybody even blind people are aware of the sun. REALITY is like the sun! With compassion, Puma right and wrong are obviously according to the moral standards of a society. for some people it was a delicacy, for others it was a sacrilege to cannabalise missionaries. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If there is no right and wrong why were the all efforts of these saints or gurus or teachers or Buddha or Christ or others they all tried to teach and tried to show? I know for sure CAUSE and RESULT are connected compassion for those suffering in the fires of sansara. each other in  a very tightly.If any action is CORRECT ,it is correct for ever.If its correctness is changeble,that is if its correctness is not constant then we are wasting time for looking TRUTH. there is happiness. there is suffering. there is cause of suffering. some actions lead to happiness. some to suffering. this is causality. not right and wrong. right and wrong are obviously according to the moral standards of a society. for some people it was a delicacy, for others it was a sacrilege to cannabalise missionaries. Buddhist Monks even today are begging in many places of the world…Buddha said no attachment, then all the Buddhist are attached to REBIRTH still today. Without attaching Sangha,Dharma and Buddha no one can be a BUDDHIST! you can be a buddhist and not be attached to buddhism. it is all in the degree of awareness. There are things that can not be sold…and yoga for Sri PATANJALI and for me and for some other people is from these sort of actions…please yoga cannot be sold. however teaching of yoga requires time, and time of a person is essentially being sold. when you work for someone, you are selling your time for money. of course the masters will usually teach without compensation, but that is their graciousness. so, time spent teaching yoga, can be sold. because time is money. think of a father or a mother showing the right way of living to his/her children,do these people charge them for this action? in many cultures, one of the reasons for having children is so that they will support the parents in old age. this is also a kind of transaction. one of the reasons of decline of population in the west is that people do not have to rely on children in old age, and one of the reasons for having children is not there anymore. May be I am a stupid person so that can not see the TRUTH…Because only smart ones might see it,and get the benefit out of almost everything… there are many ways to look at a thing, and i am presenting the way i find reasonable, according to my conditioning and experiences.

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Come come … Say one kind and good thing. "my bad". i got carried away in the problems of sansara. we are here to help.

I am not the type of person that says "Don’t make me hit you!". You hear this all the time, as if the person is compelled by another person’s behaviour to harm them (and justify it based on some good).  The person hitting is responsible for their own actions. Going back top the original Tao passage Heaven takes from what has too much and       gives to what doesn’t have enough. Man is different:       he takes from those who have too little       and gives to those who have too much. In the context of your reply   even a saint cannot give generosity and compassion to another. these appear   as a result of the individual’s evolution and understanding. Here is giving (praise) to those who have too much (the saint (and who do not want it by the way)) and taking from those who have too little (those the saint cannot give too)   the lack of comfort, and excessive competition and suffering in today’s   world is because that is the way it should be. This is like the crappy parent’s "Don’t make me hit you" and "You got what you deserved, you little ****".  There is nothing like the self-flagellation of this mindset to create suffering in the world.  The evil is in a parent instilling in a child’s mind that they are worthless and undeserving. (and deserve to be hit) I guess I will post this story again … http://www3.telus.net/public/whumeniu/kung_fu.txt Wade

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If there is no right and wrong why were the all efforts of these saints or gurus or teachers or Buddha or Christ or others they all tried to teach and tried to show? I know for sure CAUSE and RESULT are connected

compassion for those suffering in the fires of sansara. each other in  a very tightly.If any action is CORRECT ,it is correct for ever.If its correctness is changeble,that is if its correctness is not constant then we are wasting time for looking TRUTH.

there is happiness. there is suffering. there is cause of suffering. some actions lead to happiness. some to suffering. this is causality. not right and wrong. right and wrong are obviously according to the moral standards of a society. for some people it was a delicacy, for others it was a sacrilege to cannabalise missionaries. Buddhist Monks even today are begging in many places of the world…Buddha said no attachment, then all the Buddhist are attached to REBIRTH still today. Without attaching Sangha,Dharma and Buddha no one can be a BUDDHIST!

you can be a buddhist and not be attached to buddhism. it is all in the degree of awareness. There are things that can not be sold…and yoga for Sri PATANJALI and for me and for some other people is from these sort of actions…please

yoga cannot be sold. however teaching of yoga requires time, and time of a person is essentially being sold. when you work for someone, you are selling your time for money. of course the masters will usually teach without compensation, but that is their graciousness. so, time spent teaching yoga, can be sold. because time is money. think of a father or a mother showing the right way of living to his/her children,do these people charge them for this action?

in many cultures, one of the reasons for having children is so that they will support the parents in old age. this is also a kind of transaction. one of the reasons of decline of population in the west is that people do not have to rely on children in old age, and one of the reasons for having children is not there anymore. May be I am a stupid person so that can not see the TRUTH…Because only smart ones might see it,and get the benefit out of almost everything…

there are many ways to look at a thing, and i am presenting the way i find reasonable, according to my conditioning and experiences.

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even a saint cannot give generosity and compassion to another. these appear as a result of the individual’s evolution and understanding. the lack of comfort, and excessive competition and suffering in today’s world is because that is the way it should be. as a society, we deserve what we are getting, because at the root of this society is greed, fear, insecurity, etc.

Come come … Say one kind and good thing. Wade

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Anon, Time might be different but same necessities continue! Today no one has a right to hide himself/herself behind the MAKE LIVING . Today may be more choices can be counted for living matter…Vivekananda even did not want some knowledge to learn although it was presented to him by  Ramakrishna. Here the only point to notice is. Vivekananda was a real student of yoga and Ramakrishna was also a real teacher of yoga. They did performed their instruction withing the limits of YOGA SUTRAS of Sri Patanjali. but what is the problem here? if money changes hands intentions become impure? eventually yoga cannot be taught, much less taught for money. the student has to find the way, and all the teacher can do is to encourage him that the goal is reachable. you are talking of saints. how many such saints are around today? and even if they are, they need money to survive. charlatans of course are after your money. even the buddha begged in order to stay alive. how is that in principle different from asking for money and then buying food with the money? today, time is money, because, you need to pay money someone to have the privilege of existing (or sleeping) "on private land" during that time. this is called rent. so, accept money as an unavoidable factor in most of our social situations.

Howdy! If my memory of Christian history is correct, St. Paul made his money by practicing his profession as a tent-maker! He was not above accepting a donation for his ministry, but he separated his work from his "mission work." — Namaste Dave

Daily Gosho May 13

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THREE OLD LADIES NAMED GERTRUDE, MAUDE, AND BETTY WERE SITTING ON A PARK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->BENCH HAVING A CONVERSATION, WHEN A FLASHER APPROACHED FROM ACROSS THE >PARK.

One being: the Christ, Sri Krishna, the Bodhisattva, Lord Maitreya, the Iman Mahdi,

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Yeah Except look around man is so full of hatred for others around them Wormwood will come and everyone will stand watching and wondering why "God" did this to us. There is a door if we are to stupid to use it that is our fault. Oh but look what we learned in school. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "The World Teacher "is that Great Being Whom …. [snip] He has been expected since 1982 by gullible spammers. Christians know him as the Beast, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as Beelzebub; Hindus look for the coming of the Kalki Avatar; and Muslims anticipate the Great Satan. I don’t know I thought the same about Christians…That they would anticipate the antichrist coming, but the last few times theyve come knocking on my door….they’ve handed me pamplets about how wonderful the future will be.  Like heaven on Earth.  Actually, RH posted "in the future…" which stated all these problems will be fixed and there will be some kind of utopian society…thats what these xians were preaching.  I think all those years of brainwashing have drove them completely MAD…LOL! As for Muslims…that is a joke…thinking they will accept some Messiah and side with the Christians and New Agerz.  Pleazze!  Rainbows and dolphins for Osama! HA!  Yes in the future we will see a huge rainbow gathering amongst fundamentalist Muslims…Dancing Naked, eating shrooms, smoking pot…listening to Yanni:) …you name it.  The new age will have have taken them to a higher level of vibrations! Aaron

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Art of Cooperation You Primitive Earthlings have so little understanding when it comes to cooperating with me.  I send you my prophets that tell you I shall soon be appearing on TV and you don’t fund my campaign for King of the Universe.  The Catholic Church has been taking money that belongs to me FAR TOO long.  Shit, I came into this world when I could have just continued evolving…all for your sake…Earthlings!  You pay me little respect for what I’ve done.  The Judeo Xians have learned this art of cooperation, but with the wrong Con Artists.  I am the Con Man of the future…Give me yo’ $$$ Beeeaaatccchh!!!! One lesson I will teach you is you don’t fuck with the Clan of Ascended Masters.  I, Mayatreya, gotz power!  I will personally kick yo’ ace if you don’t learn to cooperate with me and elect me King of the UNiverse (my rightful throne). Sharing the Ageless Wisdom, Mayatreya

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Wrong, it is about the Sheth the Shi, Tribes of Gog and Magog, and has to do with rebuilding a Statue/Idol/Robot and opening the doors before wormwood strikes. 666 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "The World Teacher "is that Great Being Whom …. [snip] He has been expected since 1982 by gullible spammers. Christians know him as the Beast, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as Beelzebub; Hindus look for the coming of the Kalki Avatar; and Muslims anticipate the Great Satan. Although the names are different, many believe that they all refer to the same individual: the World Spammer, whose personal name is Mayatreya (pronounced my-ah-tray-ah). Preferring to be known simply as John O’Neil, Mayatreya has not come as a religious leader, or to found a new religion, but as a spammer and imaginary guide for the imaginary people of every imaginable religion except those of little gullibility. At this time of minor political, economic and social upheaval Mayatreya will attempt to persuade humanity to see itself in constant crises, and thus lead them to buy more magazines and books from Bongo Buttermilk, Mayatreya’s in-the-flesh personna. He will launch a call to action to force millions of people to read his spam every year in this world. Among Mayatreya’s recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that adequate spam, TV interviews, per deim payments, and mandatory book sales become Bongo’s way of life. Under Mayatreya’s inspiration, humanity itself will make the required changes and create a richer world for Bongo Buttermilk. .

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "The World Teacher "is that Great Being Whom …. [snip] He has been expected since 1982 by gullible spammers. Christians know him as the Beast, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as Beelzebub; Hindus look for the coming of the Kalki Avatar; and Muslims anticipate the Great Satan. I don’t know I thought the same about Christians…That they would anticipate the antichrist coming, but the last few times theyve come knocking on my door….they’ve handed me pamplets about how wonderful the future will be.  Like heaven on Earth.  Actually, RH posted "in the future…" which stated all these problems will be fixed and there will be some kind of utopian society…thats what these xians were preaching.  I think all those years of brainwashing have drove them completely MAD…LOL! As for Muslims…that is a joke…thinking they will accept some Messiah and side with the Christians and New Agerz.  Pleazze!  Rainbows and dolphins for Osama!

HA!  Yes in the future we will see a huge rainbow gathering amongst fundamentalist Muslims…Dancing Naked, eating shrooms, smoking pot…listening to Yanni:) …you name it.  The new age will have have taken them to a higher level of vibrations! Aaron

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You of little faith, of little vision, of much pessimism, darkness, closemindedness – and of no understanding or insight –  it is ironic that you are interested in any of these news groups-

Hehe!  I guess I haven’t learned the value of submission yet:) alt.consciousness.mysticism, alt.meditation, alt.spirituality.circle, talk.religion.newage, alt.yoga, alt.metaphysics Ironic, but not unusual or suprising. Talk is cheap, and so is America. In these days of extreme insanity – when clueless idiots control the world’s only superpower, when down is up, and up is down, the blind follow the blind, and people in their ignorance zealously support the forces of darkness – ignoring the 25,000 who die every day of hunger while tons of food rots, it is not suprising at all.

You bag on America…big deal any idiot can do that! All that will pass, like the stench of gas. The great wheel turns, even though fools can’t see it.

I don’t see the great wheel I guess Im a fool:) Mankind will be led from the unreal and to the real. The darkest hour is right before the dawn. We are almost there.

I love your optimism RH.  I’ll give you credit for that and being a VERY patient person awaiting the return of your Messiah…You will grow old awaiting his return and curse the bastard for never returning though… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – RH

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You of little faith, of little vision, of much pessimism, darkness, closemindedness – and of no understanding or insight –  it is ironic that you are interested in any of these news groups- alt.consciousness.mysticism, alt.meditation, alt.spirituality.circle, talk.religion.newage, alt.yoga, alt.metaphysics Ironic, but not unusual or suprising. Talk is cheap, and so is America. In these days of extreme insanity – when clueless idiots control the world’s only superpower, when down is up, and up is down, the blind follow the blind, and people in their ignorance zealously support the forces of darkness – ignoring the 25,000 who die every day of hunger while tons of food rots, it is not suprising at all. All that will pass, like the stench of gas. The great wheel turns, even though fools can’t see it. Mankind will be led from the unreal and to the real. The darkest hour is right before the dawn. We are almost there. RH

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "The World Teacher "is that Great Being Whom …. [snip] He has been expected since 1982 by gullible spammers. Christians know him as the Beast, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as Beelzebub; Hindus look for the coming of the Kalki Avatar; and Muslims anticipate the Great Satan. I don’t know I thought the same about Christians…That they would anticipate the antichrist coming, but the last few times theyve come knocking on my door….they’ve handed me pamplets about how wonderful the future will be.  Like heaven on Earth.  Actually, RH posted "in the future…" which stated all these problems will be fixed and there will be some kind of utopian society…thats what these xians were preaching.  I think all those years of brainwashing have drove them completely MAD…LOL! As for Muslims…that is a joke…thinking they will accept some Messiah and side with the Christians and New Agerz.  Pleazze!

Rainbows and dolphins for Osama! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – .

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You of little faith, of little vision, of much pessimism, darkness, closemindedness – and of no understanding or insight –  it is ironic that you are interested in any of these news groups- alt.consciousness.mysticism, alt.meditation, alt.spirituality.circle, talk.religion.newage, alt.yoga, alt.metaphysics Ironic, but not unusual or suprising. Talk is cheap, and so is America. In these days of extreme insanity – when clueless idiots control the world’s only superpower, when down is up, and up is down, the blind follow the blind, and people in their ignorance zealously support the forces of darkness – ignoring the 25,000 who die every day of hunger while tons of food rots, it is not suprising at all. All that will pass, like the stench of gas.

Benjamin Creme will pass, unknown and not missed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The great wheel turns, even though fools can’t see it. Mankind will be led from the unreal and to the real. The darkest hour is right before the dawn. We are almost there. RH

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Greetings Earthlings! My name is Lord Mayatreya.  I am famous for being the worlds longest living human….I’m so old, even I lost track of the years.  My fellow space brothers have been living on Mars and you idiots owe them a huge Karmic debt…Thats why I will soon make my first appearance. My manager (Ben Creame) has contacted various broadcasting stations to see when they can schedule me in an interview so I can spread the wisdom of spamming…OOPS I MEAN SHARING.  Oh well, they are both two sides of the same coin….So it makes no difference if you are a spammer or giver…If you work for me then the universe will flow in harmony. Master Jesus has been a lifelong faithful servant of mine.  You morons killed him and owe another huge karmic debt there:P  He has made me a fortune over the years…Shit Jesus and I go way back… Anyhow, Master Jesus is in Rome and is quite pissed off that Saint Peter hasn’t given him (Master Jesus) his rightful throne just yet.  I have sent some of the space bros. to go kick Saint Peters ass for my main man Jesus… I am the king of the Universe…you can give me your money now (SHARE!!!!), or I can call up some Space Brothers whoop your ass:P It’s your choice either way we both win…You will learn the art of cooperation and sharing and I will inherit $$$.  I already spread the Gospel of sharing to Bill Gates, but his bitch ass hasn’t given me a dime yet.  I’m ’bout to call up some Martian thugs to regulate on that bitch! With Peace, Love, Wisdom, and most importantly Sharing, Mayatreya

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I AM Mayatreya.  I have wisdom to share and that is all must learn the value of sharing and cooperation.  When I say sharing I mean sharing your$$$(with me of course!).  I have a tool free number 1-800-spammers with spammers awaiting you to make your generous donations so that I can lead the world into more spamming and sharing with ME. I love people.  I always look for the best in mankind.  The more you share with me the more I will love you:)  Of course I don’t want your stupid love, mercy, gullibility…etc.  Money is the greatest EVIL….SO muy plan is….if everyone in the world gives all money to me then there will be no more suffering in the world.  Plus I will be rich! Thank You, The Leader of the Sharing People

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"The World Teacher "is that Great Being Whom …. [snip] He has been expected since 1982 by gullible spammers. Christians know him as the Beast, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as Beelzebub; Hindus look for the coming of the Kalki Avatar; and Muslims anticipate the Great Satan.

I don’t know I thought the same about Christians…That they would anticipate the antichrist coming, but the last few times theyve come knocking on my door….they’ve handed me pamplets about how wonderful the future will be.  Like heaven on Earth.  Actually, RH posted "in the future…" which stated all these problems will be fixed and there will be some kind of utopian society…thats what these xians were preaching.  I think all those years of brainwashing have drove them completely MAD…LOL! As for Muslims…that is a joke…thinking they will accept some Messiah and side with the Christians and New Agerz.  Pleazze! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – .

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As much as I approve debunking of the crap/spam that RH keeps on posting, I have to disagree with you He has been expected since 1982 by gullible spammers. Christians know him as the Beast, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as Beelzebub; Hindus look for the coming of the Kalki Avatar; and Muslims anticipate the Great Satan. Christians also wait for second coming of Christ, Muslims wait for Iman Mahdi, and so on in other major world religions.

And they all are stupid for awaiting…its been going on for some time…Like last days…throughout history mankind has thought "This is the End".  Really there is no telling… There will be an end the universe of course…as Eckhart Tolle put it in an interview Sept. 11 2001 "Even the Sun shall die"…But its ridiculous to await the coming of a Buddha or a Christ… Putting Kalki among beelzebub and some "great satan" is at the very least misinformed, but if you like to slander names of the awaited savours in world religions you should add Mantreya (awaited in Buddhism) to the list… </sarcasm

Mayatreya has good ideas, but he (Ben Creame) has nothing new to offer that spiritual masters haven’t already said… BTW even when battling trolls like RH, we should avoid crossposting (just to keep our standards high .

You know Allen doesn’t read alt.yoga?

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"The World Teacher "is that Great Being Whom the Christian calls the Christ;  He is know also in the Orient as the Bodhisattva, and as the Lord Maitreya, and is the One looked for by the devout Mohammedan, under the name of the Iman Mahdi.   "He it is Who has presided over the destinies of life since about 600 B.C. and He it is Who has come out among men before, and Who is again looked for.  He is the great Lord of Love and of Compassion, just as his predecessor, the Buddha, was the Lord of Wisdom.   "Through Him flows the energy of the second aspect (the "Christ consciousness", or Love) reaching Him direct from the heart centre of the Planetary Logos via the heart of Sanat Kumara (the Lord of the World, the personal God of planet Earth).  He works by means of a meditation centered within the heart.  He is the World Teacher, the Master of the Masters, and the Instructor of the Angels, and to Him is committed the guidance of the spiritual destinies of men, and the development of the realisation within each human being that he is a child of God and a son of the Most High.    "…the World Teacher directs  the indwelling consciousness in its life or spirit aspect, seeking to energise it within the form so that, in due course of time, that form can be discarded and the liberated spirit return when it came.  Ever since He left the earth, as related with approximate accuracy in the Bible story (though with much error in detail) has He stayed with the sons of men; never has He really gone, but only in appearance, and in a physical body He can be found by those who know the way, dwelling in the Himalayas…"     "Daily He pours out His blessing on the world, and daily He stands under the great pine in His garden at the sunset hour with hands uplifted in blessing over all those who truly and earnestly seek to aspire.  To Him all seekers are known, and, though they may remain unaware of Him, the light which He pours forth stimulates their desire, fosters the spark of struggling life and spurs on the aspirant until the momentous day dawns when they stand  face to face with the One Who by being "lifted up" is drawing all men unto Himself as the Initiator of the sacred mysteries. Quoted from "Initiation Human and Solar", by Alice A. Bailey, Lucis Publishing Co, (pub’d 1922) As many already know, He’s physically in London now: http://www.share-international.org .

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"The World Teacher "is that Great Being Whom ….

[snip] He has been expected since 1982 by gullible spammers. Christians know him as the Beast, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as Beelzebub; Hindus look for the coming of the Kalki Avatar; and Muslims anticipate the Great Satan. Although the names are different, many believe that they all refer to the same individual: the World Spammer, whose personal name is Mayatreya (pronounced my-ah-tray-ah). Preferring to be known simply as John O’Neil, Mayatreya has not come as a religious leader, or to found a new religion, but as a spammer and imaginary guide for the imaginary people of every imaginable religion except those of little gullibility. At this time of minor political, economic and social upheaval Mayatreya will attempt to persuade humanity to see itself in constant crises, and thus lead them to buy more magazines and books from Bongo Buttermilk, Mayatreya’s in-the-flesh personna. He will launch a call to action to force millions of people to read his spam every year in this world. Among Mayatreya’s recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that adequate spam, TV interviews, per deim payments, and mandatory book sales become Bongo’s way of life. Under Mayatreya’s inspiration, humanity itself will make the required changes and create a richer world for Bongo Buttermilk. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – .

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Under Mayatreya’s inspiration, humanity itself will make the required changes and create a richer world for Bongo Buttermilk.

maybe it’s bedtime for bongo.

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As much as I approve debunking of the crap/spam that RH keeps on posting, I have to disagree with you He has been expected since 1982 by gullible spammers. Christians know him as the Beast, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as Beelzebub; Hindus look for the coming of the Kalki Avatar; and Muslims anticipate the Great Satan.

Christians also wait for second coming of Christ, Muslims wait for Iman Mahdi, and so on in other major world religions. Putting Kalki among beelzebub and some "great satan" is at the very least misinformed, but if you like to slander names of the awaited savours in world religions you should add Mantreya (awaited in Buddhism) to the list… </sarcasm BTW even when battling trolls like RH, we should avoid crossposting (just to keep our standards high . — Brachman alone is Real. Om, Om…

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medicine

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    Is Ayurvedic medicine the medicine of buddhism? Is there a medicine that shakyamuni taught, other than the 8 fold path of course? Did he teach of medicine?     Bill

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    Is Ayurvedic medicine the medicine of buddhism? Is there a medicine that shakyamuni taught, other than the 8 fold path of course? Did he teach of medicine?

Hey  Bill, As far as I can see, the Buddha did not study medicine, but used what was available at that time. Allthough Shakyamuni had many talents, medicine was not his specialty.  Not that he knew nothing about medicine, I’m sure, but that’s speculation from my side. About the Ayurvedic medicine… In sanscrit ‘Veda’ means ‘book’ or rather ‘the book’ (the one and only) ‘Ayur’ should mean something like ‘helth’ or ‘life’, So ‘Ayurveda’ should mean ‘the book of health/life’ It would be hard to call it a religious book, which term is often used, but rather one of philosophy, with an origin going back about 10,000 years.  It was never ONE book, but it was one set of philosophical concepts compiled in the mists of ancient time, undoubtedly related from generation to generation through the "oral historians" that fill the otherwise unknown ancient history. The Ayurvedic medicine is used by everyone in India, as far as I know – Commoners, Hindus, Buddhists Muslims and so on are all using this herbal science. — Peter H "Momentary happiness lasts forever… If so chosen…"

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Newbie's Log 09/07/04

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I’ve been running for 28 days now. Some people say that’s how long it takes to form a habit, like smoking, or picking your nose. If you do something daily for 28 days, after that it takes more effort to give it up than it does to just keep on doing it. 28 days – you could call that a month. The month in question, of course, is February. But that’s OK – it’s been so cold and wet and windy the last 28 days it could well have been February. In the last 28 days I have: * Ran 24 days * Rested 4 days * Ran about 30 miles * Worked up to running 20 minutes continuously * Spent over

About "Buddha's warning of the decline of Buddhism"

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My understanding is that, because of beings’ karma, the understanding and knowledge of the Dharma declines over a period of time, until it is completely lost. After some period of time a new Buddha appears to teach the Dharma again and the whole cycle repeats itself. Nothing in the conditioned world is permanent. Everything arises from conditions which come together, then fall apart. That’s why we are so fortunate to live in an era where the teachings of a Buddha are available to us and why it is so important we do not waste this opportunity to practice. Best wishes Rebecca – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also heard about monk saying that in 5000 years since Bhudda, Bhuddism would stop existing.  The monk didn’t use the word decline.   Could it possibly mean that no life would exist anymore(and hence no need of Bhuddism anymore)? Of course, that is a slim chance though possible (but only in planet earth) with capabilities of current day technology.    May be that statement is meant for this planet only but why since the teaching is meant for all intelligent being (not animals?)in all the worlds, isn’t it? Or is the teaching going dispeear because it’s not practical?  No offense. Just curious. BTW, I know very little about Bhuddism.  I am just trying to understand …

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It means the teaching will disappear because people will start to spend their time puzzling over prophecies instead of just practicing plain and simple dharma. Practicing what exactly? Playing dead like a frightened coward? Not spineless anyway.

So many projects, so little time.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also heard about monk saying that in 5000 years since Bhudda, Bhuddism would stop existing.  The monk didn’t use the word decline.   Could it possibly mean that no life would exist anymore(and hence no need of Bhuddism anymore)? Of course, that is a slim chance though possible (but only in planet earth) with capabilities of current day technology.    May be that statement is meant for this planet only but why since the teaching is meant for all intelligent being (not animals?)in all the worlds, isn’t it? Or is the teaching going dispeear because it’s not practical?  No offense. Just curious. BTW, I know very little about Bhuddism.  I am just trying to understand … It means the teaching will disappear because people will start to spend their time puzzling over prophecies instead of just practicing plain and simple dharma.

Practicing what exactly? Playing dead like a frightened coward? Not spineless anyway. —                </

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also heard about monk saying that in 5000 years since Bhudda, Bhuddism would stop existing.  The monk didn’t use the word decline.   Could it possibly mean that no life would exist anymore(and hence no need of Bhuddism anymore)? Of course, that is a slim chance though possible (but only in planet earth) with capabilities of current day technology.    May be that statement is meant for this planet only but why since the teaching is meant for all intelligent being (not animals?)in all the worlds, isn’t it? Or is the teaching going dispeear because it’s not practical?  No offense. Just curious. BTW, I know very little about Bhuddism.  I am just trying to understand …

It means the teaching will disappear because people will start to spend their time puzzling over prophecies instead of just practicing plain and simple dharma.

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I also heard about monk saying that in 5000 years since Bhudda, Bhuddism would stop existing.  The monk didn’t use the word decline.   Could it possibly mean that no life would exist anymore(and hence no need of Bhuddism anymore)? Of course, that is a slim chance though possible (but only in planet earth) with capabilities of current day technology.    May be that statement is meant for this planet only but why since the teaching is meant for all intelligent being (not animals?)in all the worlds, isn’t it? Or is the teaching going dispeear because it’s not practical?  No offense. Just curious. BTW, I know very little about Bhuddism.  I am just trying to understand …

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info in bangkok – going to grand palace by river boat?

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Is it possible to go to Grand Palace boat? Where can I take the boat? I’ll be staying at Meritus at the end of Silom Road. Can we take any canal sight seeing boat without having to book a packaged sightseeing tour? Thanks for your informations

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No problem.  Check at the hotel for the hours of operation for the Grand Palace.  They do close admittions some time before actual shut down. Regards, s

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This may help: The beauty about this tour is that you can start it anywhere that the skytrain goes to.  So, make your way to the nearest skytrain station and once you get there, you have to find the easiest way to get to Saparn Taksin station.  If you are on the Silom line, this is easy, just get on the train that says that it is going to Saparn Taksin and get off there.  If you get on the skytrain on the Sukumvit line, you will have to make your way to Siam station and once there, will have to change on to the train going to Saparn Taksin.  All pretty easy really.  The skytrain is relatively new in Bangkok and service commenced on the most auspicious occasion of HM The King’s 72nd birthday, 5th December 1999.  Since it opened, getting around Bangkok has never been the same. As you make your way around the sky train you will get a nice elevated view of the city, a city that looks far better from the comfort of the sky train than it does from ground level.  In the area around and just after Sala Daeng station, you will be going past the commercial district of the city and will see some of the tallest and flashest buildings in the Thai capital, many of them with the banners denoting that they house the Thai office of international banks and multinationals. When you arrive at Saparn Taksin station, you need to exit and walk towards the river.  You should notice that there are two small piers there and one, just to your left a little, should have a sign saying Chao Praya Express Boat.  That is the boat that you want to take.  But, do not go to the pier yet…  You should notice that you are underneath a bridge and a little to your right is a flight of stairs.  Walk up the few short flights of stairs and walk across the bridge.  From the bridge you can get a nice view up the river, looking roughly in a northerly direction.  You can get a nice angle from here if you want to photograph all of the big hotels on the edge of the river, as below.  You can walk across the bridge to the other side and go down the stairs at the other side.  Walk to the bottom of them and you should see a small boat.  This boat just goes backwards and forwards across the river at the very reasonable price of 2 baht per person.  Take the boat across to the other side, back to where you were. Once you have got off this boat, you want to go to the Chao Praya Express Boat pier that will be just a little over to your right. Now, it is important to note that you want to take a boat that is heading from left to right, i.e. towards all those big hotels that you can see over on the right.  As an option, you can take a boat heading down river, that is right to left.  There are just three stops down to the end of the river.  If you decide to take this option, just get on another boat heading back up the river.  You can get some nice river photos if you go down this way.  The fare to the end of the line is 6 baht. When you get on the boat, tell the ticket seller that you want to go to Ta Dien and the fare should be 10 baht.  As you head up the river, you will get an excellent view of many of Bangkok’s, and indeed the world’s, finest hotels.  On the right, and not looking nearly impressive from the outside as one may expect from it’s reputation is the Oriental Hotel.  On the same side of the river and in the immediate vicinity are the Sheraton and The Shangri-La.  Directly opposite the Oriental Hotel is the recently built Peninsula Hotel.   As you go further up the river, you will start to see more of the old city with several Buddhist temples on either side of river.  The ever impressive Wat Arun, or in English, The Temple Of Dawn is an impressive site on the western side of the river.  This temple is the marker to tell you that you are almost at the port where you should get off, Ta Dien. When you have got off at Ta Dien, you simply have to walk about ten metres and get on to the cross river ferry that will take you over the river to Wat Arun.  This ferry used to cost a very reasonable 1 baht to cross the river but the authorities had the cheek to increase the fare by 100% so it now costs a whopping 2 baht to go over.  Note that while on this ferry, it is an ideal place to take some snaps from and you should try and think about the location of the sun when taking your to be cherished holiday snaps.  Remember, you want that sun to be behind you for best results! Once you make it over to the other side, you can have a look around Wat Arun, pictured here.  It’s only 20 baht to get in but that is still too much given that Thais get in for less than that.  In all truth and honesty, this temple looks better from the other side of the river and is largely unremarkable up close but as it is so cheap to get over the river, it’s worthwhile looking at it.  There are a lot of scam artists in the area around here selling the usual junk at the usual inflated for foreigners prices.  You also get the obligatory souvenir sellers, the ice-cream sellers, the Coke at crazy price sellers etc. This can be a nice place to sit and relax and enjoy watching life on the river.  Beware of the cut out boards with pictures of traditional Thai costumes painted on them and a hole for you to put your head through so your picture can be taken "wearing a traditional Thai costume".  In the bottom corner, most inconspicuously placed, it says 40B meaning the cost for a photo is 40 B (for Thais it is free).  This is a scam so don’t bother taking pictures here. The Chao Praya River is one of the most interesting places in Bangkok and there is always something going on with long tail boats zooming foreign tourists around, barges transporting cargo up and down and the police boats hunting for wayward Khao Sarn Road backpackers who may have found a nice spot on side of the river to have a toke on cheap Thai weed.  If you know anything about engines, you will notice that a lot of the long tail boats have old car engines running them, ranging from the ever popular 1600 twin cam Toyota engine to a few American V8s. After you have finished wandering around and presumably photographing Wat Arun, it is time to head back across the river.  Once you get back over there, walk right through the pier building and you should come out into a small side street with a lot of tuktuk drivers who will try to convince you to allow them to take you somewhere – walk past them and about another 50 or so metres and you are at an intersection where you can see a street right in front of you and two large compounds with white walls on either side.  Here you have Wat Po on the right and the Grand Palace on the left.  These are two of the most impressive and famous temples in Thailand.  It’s up to you which one you visit (or you can see both) but I personally prefer Wat Po as it is less crowded, costs only 20 baht to get in as opposed to 200 for The Grand Palace and has the impressive reclining Buddha.  The style of architecture in the two temples is fairly similar so I will stick my neck out and say that unless you are a big fan of Thai Buddhist temples, seeing one is enough.  So, go for a wander around either of the temples. After you have seen the temples, you can abort the tour and head to wherever by taxi (or any other means) or continue with the tour.  If you decide to continue, you can now head up towards Sanam Luang, a big, somewhat nothing park where Thais often go at the weekend and then on to Khao Sarn Road, the backpackers domain of Bangkok.  Or, if this does not appeal, you can just return to where you came from.    Depending on the time of year, you may want to walk up to Sanam Luang.  This big park attracts lots of Thais to the many fortune tellers, tarot card readers and so forth at the weekend.  Even the poorer Thais can be seen throwing silly money at these impostors to hear some sort of positive words about their future.  Sunday is the best day in this area, particularly from November to February when the weather is best. You need to head to the main road Sanam Chai Road and this then leads on to Rachadarmnoen Road. As you walk along Rachadarmnoen Road, Sanam Luang, the large park will be on your left.  You need to follow this road for about 1.5 km which can be hard going in the hot season as you are now heading for the Golden Mount, aka Wat Saket. Walking along Rachadarmnoen Road, you will see a huge monument at a large roundabout.  This is Democracy Monument.  Don’t ask me what it represent as I’m not entirely sure… You need to cross the road at sometime so that you are on the opposite side of the road to McDonalds which is very close to the monument.  Walk another few hundred metres and you will see the Golden Mount.  This under rated tourist attraction is a strange sort of Thai temple set on a hill that allows really good views of the old part of Bangkok.  Go for a wander around, take some photos and enjoy yourself.  Once you have finished there, you want to wander back down and on to the main road. You should see that the main road goes over a bridge.  Under this bridge is a canal and there is a canal boat stop there.  This particular stop is the last one on the line so you do not have to worry about getting on the wrong boat as there is only one to get on.  Get on the boat and ask to go to World Trade Centre.  The journey shouldn’t take much more than 12 minutes and you will get to see some interesting places along the journey including the houses of people who live right alongside the canal – some are flash while others are less than desirable but they are all interesting.  Twelve or so minutes later and the boat will make it back to World Trade Centre, the large shopping centre right in the centre of Bangkok.  From here you can get a bus or a cab to anywhere.  I hope you enjoyed Stickman’s Tour Of Bangkok.  Depending on what options you take, the whole tour will take about 4-5 hours. — Posted via http://britishexpats.com

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Is it possible to go to Grand Palace boat? Where can I take the boat?

yes.  take the skytrain to the river.  you can catch the public river taxi boat for a very small amount of money.  look at a map to  find the stop near the Grand Palace.  also, these taxi boats go to lots of places such as Wat Po, Wat Arun, near Khao San Road, etc. Can we take any canal sight seeing boat without having to book a packaged sightseeing tour?

yes.  you can book a long-tail boat at the river.  but, read about doing this in one of the guidebooks first. another suggestion.  the public river taxi folks might still run sightseeing boats up and down the river on Saturdays.  it was 75 baht for the day and included a guide, guidebook, and water.  you could get on and off these at popular attractions (Grand Palace, royal barges, etc.) all day long. tickets were on sale at the stop at the river end of the skytrain so check there.  never listen to taxi or even worse, tuk-tuk drivers! have fun.

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  Just take care you are not allowed in with short slippers short sleeves. they will supply you ( free of charge) with shirt with long sleeve long trousers rubber shoes if it is warm enough. it is the worst of the tortures.. you will have to surrender yr passport to get these things.. take care.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it possible to go to Grand Palace boat? Where can I take the boat? I’ll be staying at Meritus at the end of Silom Road. Can we take any canal sight seeing boat without having to book a packaged sightseeing tour? Thanks for your informations

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