Satan's Slob in Salem

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Oh dear. — Lush Lush-O-Mint: Double Yer Pleasure, Double Yer Fun

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/s/thestoryv2.pl?slug-SATANISM The devil you know? Salem Satanist dispels myths — at least some of them By BEN CASSELMAN Correspondent SALEM — Ignore the altar in the corner, and John Allee’s small First Street apartment has little out of the ordinary. A potted plant hangs from the ceiling, an imitation Oriental carpet covers the floor, a copy of Life Extension magazine sits on the table next to a large reclining armchair. And then there is the altar. Candles and a wooden skull sit atop a black tablecloth. An upside-down pentacle hangs on the wall, like a cross in a church. It is an altar to Satan. Known as Lord Egan to his followers — and Allee claims he has many — Allee is the high priest of the First Church of Satan, a six-year-old organization that he runs out of his apartment. Salem might seem the obvious choice for a "religion" like this, but even in a city known for witches and the occult, Satanism — and Lord Egan — stand out. Indeed, as he sits on his couch stroking Sam, one of his three cats, the pendant around his neck the only suggestion of his unconventional beliefs, it is hard not to wonder whether Allee is entirely serious. He is. Satanists, Allee says, do not really worship the devil or practice evil. They believe in the balance of forces; the Satanism he describes is more akin to Eastern religions such as Buddhism and Taoism than it is to Christianity in reverse. At times, Allee seems more like a philosopher than a religious leader. "We believe that good and evil are two forces that define one another and complement one another and complete one another," Allee said. "Good and evil do not exist, but the perception of good and evil does exist." The line is paraphrased from Nietszche, the turn-of-the-century German philosopher famous for declaring that "God is dead," and the man Allee credits with being the first modern Satanist. Freedom and magic Allee said Satanists disagree on whether Satan is a physical being, but they agree that both good and evil exist within everyone. Satanism, he said, is a religion of personal sovereignty, and its tenets sound much like libertarianism: People should be free to do whatever they want, so long as it does not harm others. "Every man and every woman is the god of his or her own life," he said. "No matter how right I may be in believing the way I do, you have an equal right to believe in what you believe in." Such claims may be a break from Christianity, Judaism, or Islam, but they are hardly uncommon. Chris Parker, an 18-year-old member of the church’s high council, said he often meets people who agree with Satanism’s philosophy who would never think to call themselves Satanists. But these are not merely secular humanists in black robes. Allee believes in magic, and unlike those in Salem’s prominent Wiccan community, he does not limit himself to "white" magic, a distinction he said only reinforces the artificial divide between good and evil. The First Church of Satan Web site includes instructions for curses and for rituals such as satanic weddings and a "recrucifixion," a satanic mass that includes a prayer beginning "Our father, who art in hell," and the ritual nailing of a clay figure to a cross in order to "cleanse" participants of Christianity’s influence. Disturbing views Allee says the rites are optional, and members may pick and choose as they wish. But the ceremonies are not the only part of Satanism that outsiders might find disturbing. "We’re for all seven deadly sins," Allee said. Allee also believes animal sacrifice should be legal, though he says he does not practice it himself; that drugs should be legalized, though he says he does not use them; and that age of consent laws for sexual activity — 16 in Massachusetts — should be revoked, though he does not advocate violating them while they remain on the books. "Many people bemoan the fact that puberty occurs so young," Egan writes on the church’s Web site. "As a Satanist, I am here to tell you that nature doesn’t make mistakes, people do. … When a child reaches puberty, which is the age of sexual consent, you have no right to determine who their sexual partners will or won’t be." Allee, a 51-year-old Chelsea native, served briefly in the military, but was invited to leave (with an honorable discharge) when his satanic views were discovered. He does not work full time, but helps to manage a Web site for his brother. Gathering of 20 Despite his unorthodox beliefs, Allee has a significant following. Members of the First Church of Satan do not meet regularly in person, and Allee expects an upcoming gathering to draw only about 20 people. But the church’s online chat group has nearly 500 active members, and Allee has sent out hundreds of $35 membership kits, complete with certificate of membership and pentacle amulet. The movement as a whole is even larger; Allee founded his church six years ago after splitting from the Church of Satan, and an Internet search yields Web sites for the First Satanic Church, the Church of Lucifer, the Devil’s Church, the Satanic Council and even a McSatan’s. Allee plans to reach out to new members with a cable access show, complete with puppets, and he already broadcasts a free radio show online. He has also released a compact disc, "Dark Passion," with such songs as "Route 66," Rodgers and Hammerstein’s "It Might As Well Be Spring," and "That Old Black Magic." If the image of a satanic high priest singing show tunes in his high-rise apartment seems comical, Allee said he is working toward a day when it does not. He says he wants to make Satanism a mainstream alternative religion. He still has a long way to go. Rebellious teen-agers still make up much of Satanism’s ranks, and Satanists frequent Internet chat rooms more than physical chapels. Infighting among different Satanist groups is rampant, and even Allee said that "half of the people I call Satanists I just don’t care for." But Allee said his commitment to free speech and self-sovereignty will draw people to his church. "I want to see us set an example so the others will follow," Allee said. "I’m going to do everything to enhance our image." End of article To give you a piece of my mind, I have spoken to Lord Egan by telephone and although I don’t agree with some of his beliefs and ethics, he is a very pleasant person and very informative. From having spoken to him, he does not consider any of his practices to resemble any form of Christianity. He certainly doesn’t give the impression of being an unstable person in comparison to many who post in alt.religion wicca or alt.pagan, furthermore, I don’t see him posting here in this newsgroup lately in the past year. That article obviously that you posted was not written by you and you have the nerve to post anonymously and judge a man who you most likely have never met, much less communicated with on line. At least Lord Egan has a following for what he believes in which is a lot more than what I can say for you who hides behind an anonymous username. Lord Egan has every right to reside where ever he chooses to reside and that is none of your business. If anybody is a slob, you are!

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Oh, yeah? Well, I’ll see your neener weener and raise ya two nyuk nyuk’s! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -buhahahahahah! I just woke up, with one cuppa coffee, and second your nyah nyah nyah’s! Furthermore, I’ll see your nyah nyah and raise you a neener weener! I’ve been pondering, while eating breakfast – scrambled eggs with chopped bermuda onion and topped with sharp cheddar cheese, toast, orange juice, and finished with black coffee and a cigarette – just how to comment on this subject. After said pondering, over a rather delicious breakfast, I came to an interesting conclusion….. nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah! Allow me to elucidate those nyah nyah’s. Nyah nyah #1: You seem to be overly defensive about this lord eigon or lord ego or whatever his name is. That suggests certain things that in general lead to a total lack of credibility. Nyah nyah #2: You have excellently demonstrated your own high level of hypocrasy, dictums, and judging of others without knowing them. You whine about this yet do it yourself in the same breath. This leads me to my final conclusions….. Nyah nyah nyah nyah! I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh. Actually, this is a different child molesting fraud. I can see how you’d confuse the two, they’re both in serious need of a padded room devoid of sharp objects. BTW, does anyone have any clue how many different people post from xgannon? Seems there are as many of them as there are of RBB. — electric walrus You should be careful about what you post in the newsgroup, particularly posting defamatory messages about people you have never met. It seems that you have a certain degree of jealousy against Lord Egan because he has gotten a nice following of people. What ever religion he practices is his business, not yours. Nobody is placing judgment on your spiritual path, so don’t do it to others. It is obvious that you don’t even have a degree in psychiatry much less to make any type of evaluation on people you have never met. I have been reading a lot of filth by several people who post regularly in alt.religion wicca and they certainly are not people I would use as a consultant to wicca, witchcraft, or paganism, mainly because of their abusive posting history. Gargoyle – _~~~~~ I’m single… I’m divorced from reality. So, I’m insane…. You got a problem with that?

Gargoyle – _~~~~~ WARNING: The Surgeon General has determined that Life is hazardous to your health and may cause cancer and death.

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You’re way too full of yourself to be worth anything, let alone be anything other than food for the Worm. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I’m so fucking unreliable, why do you read me, then? And you’ll never be a witch, so why would you think you do or don’t need me? You stupid sow. You wish you had what it takes to intimidate, but all you do is make everyone laugh. You can’t harm me, because even in Louisiana, you’re too far away for me to smell you. I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh. Suzanne Simmons, just to give you a piece of my mind, I have been reading several posts by you and although I very seldom reply to them, I consider you an unreliable source for discussion wicca, witchcraft, or paganism for that matter because of you emotional and psychological immaturity. You obviously have nothing to offer and furthermore, I have plenty of resources, so I don’t need you. I also don’t care to know about your personal problems that you are having in your home, nor should your personal problems concern sincere people are want to discuss issues about wicca, witchcraft, or paganism. Suzanne Simmons, I don’t consider you a witch and having read several of your posts, you have a lot of serious problems. You are also very unstable. To be quite honest, I don’t care for very many people who post in alt.religion wicca, not to mention how immature many of them are, including you. Your obviously lack vocabulary skills when you post. A witch is a person who has a very sophisticated vocabulary who doesn’t have to stoop your level to post infantile comments that you post very frequently. You have nothing to offer me.

Gargoyle – _~~~~~ WARNING: The Surgeon General has determined that Life is hazardous to your health and may cause cancer and death.

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I’ve been pondering, while eating breakfast – scrambled eggs with chopped bermuda onion and topped with sharp cheddar cheese, toast, orange juice, and finished with black coffee and a cigarette – just how to comment on this subject. After said pondering, over a rather delicious breakfast, I came to an interesting conclusion….. nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah! Allow me to elucidate those nyah nyah’s. Nyah nyah #1: You seem to be overly defensive about this lord eigon or lord ego or whatever his name is. That suggests certain things that in general lead to a total lack of credibility. Nyah nyah #2: You have excellently demonstrated your own high level of hypocrasy, dictums, and judging of others without knowing them. You whine about this yet do it yourself in the same breath. This leads me to my final conclusions….. Nyah nyah nyah nyah! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh. Actually, this is a different child molesting fraud. I can see how you’d confuse the two, they’re both in serious need of a padded room devoid of sharp objects. BTW, does anyone have any clue how many different people post from xgannon? Seems there are as many of them as there are of RBB. — electric walrus You should be careful about what you post in the newsgroup, particularly posting defamatory messages about people you have never met. It seems that you have a certain degree of jealousy against Lord Egan because he has gotten a nice following of people. What ever religion he practices is his business, not yours. Nobody is placing judgment on your spiritual path, so don’t do it to others. It is obvious that you don’t even have a degree in psychiatry much less to make any type of evaluation on people you have never met. I have been reading a lot of filth by several people who post regularly in alt.religion wicca and they certainly are not people I would use as a consultant to wicca, witchcraft, or paganism, mainly because of their abusive posting history.

Gargoyle – _~~~~~ I’m single… I’m divorced from reality. So, I’m insane…. You got a problem with that?

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And, yet you remain here. Must be for a reason. Looking for converts? Children for lord eyeball? Must be a reason for you still being here. As to my having met the man, well, I have known a few like him. Furthermore, you have no idea what I know, who I’ve met and/or known over the years. Nor have you any idea who I communicate with in RL. You have no idea how close lord egghead and I may be. Or, not be. Again, your hypocrisy betrays you. You are what you appear to be – a hypocrite, amongst other things. You are not what you want people here to believe you to be – credible, amongst other things. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been pondering, while eating breakfast – scrambled eggs with chopped bermuda onion and topped with sharp cheddar cheese, toast, orange juice, and finished with black coffee and a cigarette – just how to comment on this subject. After said pondering, over a rather delicious breakfast, I came to an interesting conclusion….. nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah! Allow me to elucidate those nyah nyah’s. Nyah nyah #1: You seem to be overly defensive about this lord eigon or lord ego or whatever his name is. That suggests certain things that in general lead to a total lack of credibility. Nyah nyah #2: You have excellently demonstrated your own high level of hypocrasy, dictums, and judging of others without knowing them. You whine about this yet do it yourself in the same breath. This leads me to my final conclusions….. Nyah nyah nyah nyah! I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh. Actually, this is a different child molesting fraud. I can see how you’d confuse the two, they’re both in serious need of a padded room devoid of sharp objects. BTW, does anyone have any clue how many different people post from xgannon? Seems there are as many of them as there are of RBB. — electric walrus You should be careful about what you post in the newsgroup, particularly posting defamatory messages about people you have never met. It seems that you have a certain degree of jealousy against Lord Egan because he has gotten a nice following of people. What ever religion he practices is his business, not yours. Nobody is placing judgment on your spiritual path, so don’t do it to others. It is obvious that you don’t even have a degree in psychiatry much less to make any type of evaluation on people you have never met. I have been reading a lot of filth by several people who post regularly in alt.religion wicca and they certainly are not people I would use as a consultant to wicca, witchcraft, or paganism, mainly because of their abusive posting history. Gargoyle – _~~~~~ I’m single… I’m divorced from reality. So, I’m insane…. You got a problem with that? The difference between you and me is that I have spoken to Lord Egan by telephone when somebody had posted his complete mailing address and telephone number in the newsgroup. I informed him of the post. It is very doubtful that you have ever spoken to him or communicated with him on line. On the contrary, I have been reading several posts by Raven Blackbane and Malphus which contained a lot of vulgarity and details of their abuse of animals in some of their posts. I find their posts be indicative of mentally disturbed people in comparison to Lord Egan. Furthermore, I don’t see Lord Egan posting in this forum, much less a reply to this subject thread in alt.religion wicca. Lord Egan is a lot more approachable and personable than most of the people I have seen posting here in alt.religion wicca. I am not going to change my opinion of Lord Egan, so you can stop wasting your time calling me a hypocrite. I prefer conversing with him than people like you. Ps. Your quote describes you quite well.

Gargoyle – _~~~~~ WARNING: The Surgeon General has determined that Life is hazardous to your health and may cause cancer and death.

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Oh, but moonphart says it was from three years ago, so that must make it all OK in her "mind" somehow……. =p

Lord Egan on bestiality-

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7dgmh0%24fa%241%40winter.news.rc… utput=gplain on necrophilia-

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7nj5s0%24snu%241%40autumn.news.r… output=gplain admitting to NAMBLA membership-

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6u6hct%24a8s%241%40winter.news.e… m&output=gplain http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6u6pm3%242ev%241%40winter.news.e… m&output=gplain stating that one of his members was assaulted by members of the Church of Satan-

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8oai8e%24mkj%241%40nnrp1.deja.co… t=gplain http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8drttl%24kef%241%40nnrp1.deja.co… t=gplain betraying a confidential message from one of his members-

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=836ai1%2435v%241%40autumn.news.r… output=gplain admitting that (at least) one of his members was involved in a child molestation matter-

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=HEz48.643%240V6.275%40nwrddc02.g…. net&output=gplain corroborating statements that Egan was a NAMBLA member and never a Church of Satan member-

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm20010823213746.04822.00000703%40n… ol.com&output=gplain – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And a message typed to Lord Egan from Tani Jantsang, discussing his NAMBLA membership, posted on Egan’s web site- http://churchofsatan.org/tani.jpg

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As I sad, you’re no witch, you never will be and ’sophisticated’ is not a concept that will ever tolerate being within fifty yards of you. I think it, like several folk whose lives you have "graced" with your odious presence, has a restraining order on you, to keep you at least a hundred yards away……

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If I’m so fucking unreliable, why do you read me, then? And you’ll never be a witch, so why would you think you do or don’t need me? You stupid sow. You wish you had what it takes to intimidate, but all you do is make everyone laugh. You can’t harm me, because even in Louisiana, you’re too far away for me to smell you. I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh. Suzanne Simmons, just to give you a piece of my mind, I have been reading several posts by you and although I very seldom reply to them, I consider you an unreliable source for discussion wicca, witchcraft, or paganism for that matter because of you emotional and psychological immaturity. You obviously have nothing to offer and furthermore, I have plenty of resources, so I don’t need you. I also don’t care to know about your personal problems that you are having in your home, nor should your personal problems concern sincere people are want to discuss issues about wicca, witchcraft, or paganism. Suzanne Simmons, I don’t consider you a witch and having read several of your posts, you have a lot of serious problems. You are also very unstable. To be quite honest, I don’t care for very many people who post in alt.religion wicca, not to mention how immature many of them are, including you. Your obviously lack vocabulary skills when you post. A witch is a person who has a very sophisticated vocabulary who doesn’t have to stoop your level to post infantile comments that you post very frequently. You have nothing to offer me.

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buhahahahahah! I just woke up, with one cuppa coffee, and second your nyah nyah nyah’s! Furthermore, I’ll see your nyah nyah and raise you a neener weener!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been pondering, while eating breakfast – scrambled eggs with chopped bermuda onion and topped with sharp cheddar cheese, toast, orange juice, and finished with black coffee and a cigarette – just how to comment on this subject. After said pondering, over a rather delicious breakfast, I came to an interesting conclusion….. nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah! Allow me to elucidate those nyah nyah’s. Nyah nyah #1: You seem to be overly defensive about this lord eigon or lord ego or whatever his name is. That suggests certain things that in general lead to a total lack of credibility. Nyah nyah #2: You have excellently demonstrated your own high level of hypocrasy, dictums, and judging of others without knowing them. You whine about this yet do it yourself in the same breath. This leads me to my final conclusions….. Nyah nyah nyah nyah!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh. Actually, this is a different child molesting fraud. I can see how you’d confuse the two, they’re both in serious need of a padded room devoid of sharp objects. BTW, does anyone have any clue how many different people post from xgannon? Seems there are as many of them as there are of RBB. — electric walrus You should be careful about what you post in the newsgroup, particularly posting defamatory messages about people you have never met. It seems that you have a certain degree of jealousy against Lord Egan because he has gotten a nice following of people. What ever religion he practices is his business, not yours. Nobody is placing judgment on your spiritual path, so don’t do it to others. It is obvious that you don’t even have a degree in psychiatry much less to make any type of evaluation on people you have never met. I have been reading a lot of filth by several people who post regularly in alt.religion wicca and they certainly are not people I would use as a consultant to wicca, witchcraft, or paganism, mainly because of their abusive posting history. Gargoyle – _~~~~~ I’m single… I’m divorced from reality. So, I’m insane…. You got a problem with that?

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I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh.

Suzanne Simmons, just to give you a piece of my mind, I have been reading several posts by you and although I very seldom reply to them, I consider you an unreliable source for discussion wicca, witchcraft, or paganism for that matter because of you emotional and psychological immaturity. You obviously have nothing to offer and furthermore, I have plenty of resources, so I don’t need you. I also don’t care to know about your personal problems that you are having in your home, nor should your personal problems concern sincere people are want to discuss issues about wicca, witchcraft, or paganism.

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Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.religion.wicca,alt.pagan Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.64.148.23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1027552982 17690 127.0.0.1 (24 Jul 2002 23:23:02 GMT) I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh.

Actually, this is a different child molesting fraud. I can see how you’d confuse the two, they’re both in serious need of a padded room devoid of sharp objects. BTW, does anyone have any clue how many different people post from xgannon? Seems there are as many of them as there are of RBB. — electric walrus You should be careful about what you post in the newsgroup, particularly posting defamatory messages about people you have never met. It seems that you have a certain degree of jealousy against Lord Egan because he has gotten a nice following of people. What ever religion he practices is his business, not yours. Nobody is placing judgment on your spiritual path, so don’t do it to others. It is obvious that you don’t even have a degree in psychiatry much less to make any type of evaluation on people you have never met. I have been reading a lot of filth by several people who post regularly in alt.religion wicca and they certainly are not people I would use as a consultant to wicca, witchcraft, or paganism, mainly because of their abusive posting history. Registrant: Edinboro University of Pennsylvania Technology and Communications Ross Hall Edinboro, PA 16444 UNITED STATES Contacts: Administrative Contact: Karen M. Murdzak Edinboro University of Pennsylvania Technology and Communications Ross Hall Edinboro, PA 16444 UNITED STATES (814) 732-1020 Technical Contact: Joseph Zalik Edinboro University of Pennsylvania Technology and Communications Ross Hall Edinboro, PA 16444 UNITED STATES (814) 732-1045 Name Servers: PRISM.EDINBORO.EDU 147.64.32.6 NS1.PHI.PNAP.NET Domain record activated: 02-Aug-1989 Domain record last updated: 21-Dec-2001

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yelled from the fourth floor ward window, and subsequently was sedated: * *Suzanne Simmons, I don’t consider you a witch and having read several *of your posts, you have a lot of serious problems. You are also very *unstable. To be quite honest, I don’t care for very many people who *post in alt.religion wicca, not to mention how immature many of them *are, including you. Your obviously lack vocabulary skills when you *post. A witch is a person who has a very sophisticated vocabulary who *doesn’t have to stoop your level to post infantile comments that you *post very frequently. You have nothing to offer me. Do they have excellent grammatical skills as well? If so, I suppose you’re not one either. That paragraph didn’t even come close to making sense. HAND.ON T9W

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Suzanne Simmons, I don’t consider you a witch and having read several of your posts, you have a lot of serious problems. You are also very unstable. To be quite honest, I don’t care for very many people who post in alt.religion wicca, not to mention how immature many of them are, including you. Your obviously lack vocabulary skills when you post. A witch is a person who has a very sophisticated vocabulary who doesn’t have to stoop your level to post infantile comments that you post very frequently. You have nothing to offer me.

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Lord Egan on bestiality- http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7dgmh0%24fa%241%40winter.news.rc… on necrophilia- http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7nj5s0%24snu%241%40autumn.news.r… admitting to NAMBLA membership- http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6u6hct%24a8s%241%40winter.news.e… http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6u6pm3%242ev%241%40winter.news.e… stating that one of his members was assaulted by members of the Church of Satan- http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8oai8e%24mkj%241%40nnrp1.deja.co… http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8drttl%24kef%241%40nnrp1.deja.co… betraying a confidential message from one of his members- http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=836ai1%2435v%241%40autumn.news.r… admitting that (at least) one of his members was involved in a child molestation matter- http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=HEz48.643%240V6.275%40nwrddc02.g… corroborating statements that Egan was a NAMBLA member and never a Church of Satan member- http://groups.google.com/groups?selm20010823213746.04822.00000703%40n… And a message typed to Lord Egan from Tani Jantsang, discussing his NAMBLA membership, posted on Egan’s web site- http://churchofsatan.org/tani.jpg

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been pondering, while eating breakfast – scrambled eggs with chopped bermuda onion and topped with sharp cheddar cheese, toast, orange juice, and finished with black coffee and a cigarette – just how to comment on this subject. After said pondering, over a rather delicious breakfast, I came to an interesting conclusion….. nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah! Allow me to elucidate those nyah nyah’s. Nyah nyah #1: You seem to be overly defensive about this lord eigon or lord ego or whatever his name is. That suggests certain things that in general lead to a total lack of credibility. Nyah nyah #2: You have excellently demonstrated your own high level of hypocrasy, dictums, and judging of others without knowing them. You whine about this yet do it yourself in the same breath. This leads me to my final conclusions….. Nyah nyah nyah nyah! I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh. Actually, this is a different child molesting fraud. I can see how you’d confuse the two, they’re both in serious need of a padded room devoid of sharp objects. BTW, does anyone have any clue how many different people post from xgannon? Seems there are as many of them as there are of RBB. — electric walrus You should be careful about what you post in the newsgroup, particularly posting defamatory messages about people you have never met. It seems that you have a certain degree of jealousy against Lord Egan because he has gotten a nice following of people. What ever religion he practices is his business, not yours. Nobody is placing judgment on your spiritual path, so don’t do it to others. It is obvious that you don’t even have a degree in psychiatry much less to make any type of evaluation on people you have never met. I have been reading a lot of filth by several people who post regularly in alt.religion wicca and they certainly are not people I would use as a consultant to wicca, witchcraft, or paganism, mainly because of their abusive posting history. Gargoyle – _~~~~~ I’m single… I’m divorced from reality. So, I’m insane…. You got a problem with that?

The difference between you and me is that I have spoken to Lord Egan by telephone when somebody had posted his complete mailing address and telephone number in the newsgroup. I informed him of the post. It is very doubtful that you have ever spoken to him or communicated with him on line. On the contrary, I have been reading several posts by Raven Blackbane and Malphus which contained a lot of vulgarity and details of their abuse of animals in some of their posts. I find their posts be indicative of mentally disturbed people in comparison to Lord Egan. Furthermore, I don’t see Lord Egan posting in this forum, much less a reply to this subject thread in alt.religion wicca. Lord Egan is a lot more approachable and personable than most of the people I have seen posting here in alt.religion wicca. I am not going to change my opinion of Lord Egan, so you can stop wasting your time calling me a hypocrite. I prefer conversing with him than people like you. Ps. Your quote describes you quite well.

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YOU should be careful, fat whore Moonphart. That next snoutful of junk food could be the one to clog the last remaining pitiful artery you have. Here, have another twinkie.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh. Actually, this is a different child molesting fraud. I can see how you’d confuse the two, they’re both in serious need of a padded room devoid of sharp objects. BTW, does anyone have any clue how many different people post from xgannon? Seems there are as many of them as there are of RBB. — electric walrus You should be careful about what you post in the newsgroup, particularly posting defamatory messages about people you have never met. It seems that you have a certain degree of jealousy against Lord Egan because he has gotten a nice following of people. What ever religion he practices is his business, not yours. Nobody is placing judgment on your spiritual path, so don’t do it to others. It is obvious that you don’t even have a degree in psychiatry much less to make any type of evaluation on people you have never met. I have been reading a lot of filth by several people who post regularly in alt.religion wicca and they certainly are not people I would use as a consultant to wicca, witchcraft, or paganism, mainly because of their abusive posting history. Registrant: Edinboro University of Pennsylvania Technology and Communications Ross Hall Edinboro, PA 16444 UNITED STATES Contacts: Administrative Contact: Karen M. Murdzak Edinboro University of Pennsylvania Technology and Communications Ross Hall Edinboro, PA 16444 UNITED STATES (814) 732-1020 Technical Contact: Joseph Zalik Edinboro University of Pennsylvania Technology and Communications Ross Hall Edinboro, PA 16444 UNITED STATES (814) 732-1045 Name Servers: PRISM.EDINBORO.EDU 147.64.32.6 NS1.PHI.PNAP.NET Domain record activated: 02-Aug-1989 Domain record last updated: 21-Dec-2001

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If I’m so fucking unreliable, why do you read me, then? And you’ll never be a witch, so why would you think you do or don’t need me? You stupid sow. You wish you had what it takes to intimidate, but all you do is make everyone laugh. You can’t harm me, because even in Louisiana, you’re too far away for me to smell you.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh. Suzanne Simmons, just to give you a piece of my mind, I have been reading several posts by you and although I very seldom reply to them, I consider you an unreliable source for discussion wicca, witchcraft, or paganism for that matter because of you emotional and psychological immaturity. You obviously have nothing to offer and furthermore, I have plenty of resources, so I don’t need you. I also don’t care to know about your personal problems that you are having in your home, nor should your personal problems concern sincere people are want to discuss issues about wicca, witchcraft, or paganism.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/s/thestoryv2.pl?slug-SATANISM The devil you know? Salem Satanist dispels myths — at least some of them By BEN CASSELMAN Correspondent SALEM — Ignore the altar in the corner, and John Allee’s small First Street apartment has little out of the ordinary. A potted plant hangs from the ceiling, an imitation Oriental carpet covers the floor, a copy of Life Extension magazine sits on the table next to a large reclining armchair. And then there is the altar. Candles and a wooden skull sit atop a black tablecloth. An upside-down pentacle hangs on the wall, like a cross in a church. It is an altar to Satan. Known as Lord Egan to his followers — and Allee claims he has many — Allee is the high priest of the First Church of Satan, a six-year-old organization that he runs out of his apartment. Salem might seem the obvious choice for a "religion" like this, but even in a city known for witches and the occult, Satanism — and Lord Egan — stand out. Indeed, as he sits on his couch stroking Sam, one of his three cats, the pendant around his neck the only suggestion of his unconventional beliefs, it is hard not to wonder whether Allee is entirely serious. He is. Satanists, Allee says, do not really worship the devil or practice evil. They believe in the balance of forces; the Satanism he describes is more akin to Eastern religions such as Buddhism and Taoism than it is to Christianity in reverse. At times, Allee seems more like a philosopher than a religious leader. "We believe that good and evil are two forces that define one another and complement one another and complete one another," Allee said. "Good and evil do not exist, but the perception of good and evil does exist." The line is paraphrased from Nietszche, the turn-of-the-century German philosopher famous for declaring that "God is dead," and the man Allee credits with being the first modern Satanist. Freedom and magic Allee said Satanists disagree on whether Satan is a physical being, but they agree that both good and evil exist within everyone. Satanism, he said, is a religion of personal sovereignty, and its tenets sound much like libertarianism: People should be free to do whatever they want, so long as it does not harm others. "Every man and every woman is the god of his or her own life," he said. "No matter how right I may be in believing the way I do, you have an equal right to believe in what you believe in." Such claims may be a break from Christianity, Judaism, or Islam, but they are hardly uncommon. Chris Parker, an 18-year-old member of the church’s high council, said he often meets people who agree with Satanism’s philosophy who would never think to call themselves Satanists. But these are not merely secular humanists in black robes. Allee believes in magic, and unlike those in Salem’s prominent Wiccan community, he does not limit himself to "white" magic, a distinction he said only reinforces the artificial divide between good and evil. The First Church of Satan Web site includes instructions for curses and for rituals such as satanic weddings and a "recrucifixion," a satanic mass that includes a prayer beginning "Our father, who art in hell," and the ritual nailing of a clay figure to a cross in order to "cleanse" participants of Christianity’s influence. Disturbing views Allee says the rites are optional, and members may pick and choose as they wish. But the ceremonies are not the only part of Satanism that outsiders might find disturbing. "We’re for all seven deadly sins," Allee said. Allee also believes animal sacrifice should be legal, though he says he does not practice it himself; that drugs should be legalized, though he says he does not use them; and that age of consent laws for sexual activity — 16 in Massachusetts — should be revoked, though he does not advocate violating them while they remain on the books. "Many people bemoan the fact that puberty occurs so young," Egan writes on the church’s Web site. "As a Satanist, I am here to tell you that nature doesn’t make mistakes, people do. … When a child reaches puberty, which is the age of sexual consent, you have no right to determine who their sexual partners will or won’t be." Allee, a 51-year-old Chelsea native, served briefly in the military, but was invited to leave (with an honorable discharge) when his satanic views were discovered. He does not work full time, but helps to manage a Web site for his brother. Gathering of 20 Despite his unorthodox beliefs, Allee has a significant following. Members of the First Church of Satan do not meet regularly in person, and Allee expects an upcoming gathering to draw only about 20 people. But the church’s online chat group has nearly 500 active members, and Allee has sent out hundreds of $35 membership kits, complete with certificate of membership and pentacle amulet. The movement as a whole is even larger; Allee founded his church six years ago after splitting from the Church of Satan, and an Internet search yields Web sites for the First Satanic Church, the Church of Lucifer, the Devil’s Church, the Satanic Council and even a McSatan’s. Allee plans to reach out to new members with a cable access show, complete with puppets, and he already broadcasts a free radio show online. He has also released a compact disc, "Dark Passion," with such songs as "Route 66," Rodgers and Hammerstein’s "It Might As Well Be Spring," and "That Old Black Magic." If the image of a satanic high priest singing show tunes in his high-rise apartment seems comical, Allee said he is working toward a day when it does not. He says he wants to make Satanism a mainstream alternative religion. He still has a long way to go. Rebellious teen-agers still make up much of Satanism’s ranks, and Satanists frequent Internet chat rooms more than physical chapels. Infighting among different Satanist groups is rampant, and even Allee said that "half of the people I call Satanists I just don’t care for." But Allee said his commitment to free speech and self-sovereignty will draw people to his church. "I want to see us set an example so the others will follow," Allee said. "I’m going to do everything to enhance our image." End of article

To give you a piece of my mind, I have spoken to Lord Egan by telephone and although I don’t agree with some of his beliefs and ethics, he is a very pleasant person and very informative. From having spoken to him, he does not consider any of his practices to resemble any form of Christianity. He certainly doesn’t give the impression of being an unstable person in comparison to many who post in alt.religion wicca or alt.pagan, furthermore, I don’t see him posting here in this newsgroup lately in the past year. That article obviously that you posted was not written by you and you have the nerve to post anonymously and judge a man who you most likely have never met, much less communicated with on line. At least Lord Egan has a following for what he believes in which is a lot more than what I can say for you who hides behind an anonymous username. Lord Egan has every right to reside where ever he chooses to reside and that is none of your business. If anybody is a slob, you are!

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I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -:)

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I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh.

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Yes, but the turds in his septic tank remain there. — Lush Lush-O-Mint: Double Yer Pleasure, Double Yer Fun – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh.

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Actually, a padded room with MANY sharp pointies protruding from the padding! With luck, they’ll skewer themselves in no time! I thought Moonphart moved away from that area? heh. Actually, this is a different child molesting fraud. I can see how you’d confuse the two, they’re both in serious need of a padded room devoid of sharp objects. BTW, does anyone have any clue how many different people post from xgannon? Seems there are as many of them as there are of RBB.

Gargoyle – _~~~~~ I’m single… I’m divorced from reality. Sitting in front of computer wearing nothing… but a black leather jacket.

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Known as Lord Egan to his followers — and Allee claims he has many — Allee is the high priest of the First Church of Satan, a six-year-old organization that he runs out of his apartment. Salem might seem the obvious choice for a "religion" like this, but even in a city known for witches and the occult, Satanism — and Lord Egan — stand out. Indeed, as he sits on his couch stroking Sam, one of his three cats, the pendant around his neck the only suggestion of his unconventional beliefs, it is hard not to wonder whether Allee is entirely serious. He is. Satanists, Allee says, do not really worship the devil or practice evil. They believe in the balance of forces; the Satanism he describes is more akin to Eastern religions such as Buddhism and Taoism than it is to Christianity in reverse. At times, Allee seems more like a philosopher than a religious leader. "We believe that good and evil are two forces that define one another and complement one another and complete one another," Allee said. "Good and evil do not exist, but the perception of good and evil does exist." The line is paraphrased from Nietszche, the turn-of-the-century German philosopher famous for declaring that "God is dead," and the man Allee credits with being the first modern Satanist. Freedom and magic Allee said Satanists disagree on whether Satan is a physical being, but they agree that both good and evil exist within everyone. Satanism, he said, is a religion of personal sovereignty, and its tenets sound much like libertarianism: People should be free to do whatever they want, so long as it does not harm others. "Every man and every woman is the god of his or her own life," he said. "No matter how right I may be in believing the way I do, you have an equal right to believe in what you believe in." Such claims may be a break from Christianity, Judaism, or Islam, but they are hardly uncommon. Chris Parker, an 18-year-old member of the church’s high council, said he often meets people who agree with Satanism’s philosophy who would never think to call themselves Satanists. But these are not merely secular humanists in black robes. Allee believes in magic, and unlike those in Salem’s prominent Wiccan community, he does not limit himself to "white" magic, a distinction he said only reinforces the artificial divide between good and evil. The First Church of Satan Web site includes instructions for curses and for rituals such as satanic weddings and a "recrucifixion," a satanic mass that includes a prayer beginning "Our father, who art in hell," and the ritual nailing of a clay figure to a cross in order to "cleanse" participants of Christianity’s influence. Disturbing views Allee says the rites are optional, and members may pick and choose as they wish. But the ceremonies are not the only part of Satanism that outsiders might find disturbing. "We’re for all seven deadly sins," Allee said. Allee also believes animal sacrifice should be legal, though he says he does not practice it himself; that drugs should be legalized, though he says he does not use them; and that age of consent laws for sexual activity — 16 in Massachusetts — should be revoked, though he does not advocate violating them while they remain on the books. "Many people bemoan the fact that puberty occurs so young," Egan writes on the church’s Web site. "As a Satanist, I am here to tell you that nature doesn’t make mistakes, people do. … When a child reaches puberty, which is the age of sexual consent, you have no right to determine who their sexual partners will or won’t be." Allee, a 51-year-old Chelsea native, served briefly in the military, but was invited to leave (with an honorable discharge) when his satanic views were discovered. He does not work full time, but helps to manage a Web site for his brother. Gathering of 20 Despite his unorthodox beliefs, Allee has a significant following. Members of the First Church of Satan do not meet regularly in person, and Allee expects an upcoming gathering to draw only about 20 people. But the church’s online chat group has nearly 500 active members, and Allee has sent out hundreds of $35 membership kits, complete with certificate of membership and pentacle amulet. The movement as a whole is even larger; Allee founded his church six years ago after splitting from the Church of Satan, and an Internet search yields Web sites for the First Satanic Church, the Church of Lucifer, the Devil’s Church, the Satanic Council and even a McSatan’s. Allee plans to reach out to new members with a cable access show, complete with puppets, and he already broadcasts a free radio show online. He has also released a compact disc, "Dark Passion," with such songs as "Route 66," Rodgers and Hammerstein’s "It Might As Well Be Spring," and "That Old Black Magic." If the image of a satanic high priest singing show tunes in his high-rise apartment seems comical, Allee said he is working toward a day when it does not. He says he wants to make Satanism a mainstream alternative religion. He still has a long way to go. Rebellious teen-agers still make up much of Satanism’s ranks, and Satanists frequent Internet chat rooms more than physical chapels. Infighting among different Satanist groups is rampant, and even Allee said that "half of the people I call Satanists I just don’t care for." But Allee said his commitment to free speech and self-sovereignty will draw people to his church. "I want to see us set an example so the others will follow," Allee said. "I’m going to do everything to enhance our image." 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Actually, this all sounds very good – a very good interview. Now, can he pull this off or not? Many of these political agendas are not Satanic at all. They are simply political. Many hard leftists agree with this. Jerome

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http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/s/thestoryv2.pl?slug-SATANISM The devil you know? Salem Satanist dispels myths — at least some of them By BEN CASSELMAN Correspondent SALEM — Ignore the altar in the corner, and John Allee’s small First Street apartment has little out of the ordinary. A potted plant hangs from the ceiling, an imitation Oriental carpet covers the floor, a copy of Life Extension magazine sits on the table next to a large reclining armchair. And then there is the altar. Candles and a wooden skull sit atop a black tablecloth. An upside-down pentacle hangs on the wall, like a cross in a church. It is an altar to Satan. Known as Lord Egan to his followers — and Allee claims he has many — Allee is the high priest of the First Church of Satan, a six-year-old organization that he runs out of his apartment. Salem might seem the obvious choice for a "religion" like this, but even in a city known for witches and the occult, Satanism — and Lord Egan — stand out. Indeed, as he sits on his couch stroking Sam, one of his three cats, the pendant around his neck the only suggestion of his unconventional beliefs, it is hard not to wonder whether Allee is entirely serious. He is. Satanists, Allee says, do not really worship the devil or practice evil. They believe in the balance of forces; the Satanism he describes is more akin to Eastern religions such as Buddhism and Taoism than it is to Christianity in reverse. At times, Allee seems more like a philosopher than a religious leader. "We believe that good and evil are two forces that define one another and complement one another and complete one another," Allee said. "Good and evil do not exist, but the perception of good and evil does exist." The line is paraphrased from Nietszche, the turn-of-the-century German philosopher famous for declaring that "God is dead," and the man Allee credits with being the first modern Satanist. Freedom and magic Allee said Satanists disagree on whether Satan is a physical being, but they agree that both good and evil exist within everyone. Satanism, he said, is a religion of personal sovereignty, and its tenets sound much like libertarianism: People should be free to do whatever they want, so long as it does not harm others. "Every man and every woman is the god of his or her own life," he said. "No matter how right I may be in believing the way I do, you have an equal right to believe in what you believe in." Such claims may be a break from Christianity, Judaism, or Islam, but they are hardly uncommon. Chris Parker, an 18-year-old member of the church’s high council, said he often meets people who agree with Satanism’s philosophy who would never think to call themselves Satanists. But these are not merely secular humanists in black robes. Allee believes in magic, and unlike those in Salem’s prominent Wiccan community, he does not limit himself to "white" magic, a distinction he said only reinforces the artificial divide between good and evil. The First Church of Satan Web site includes instructions for curses and for rituals such as satanic weddings and a "recrucifixion," a satanic mass that includes a prayer beginning "Our father, who art in hell," and the ritual nailing of a clay figure to a cross in order to "cleanse" participants of Christianity’s influence. Disturbing views Allee says the rites are optional, and members may pick and choose as they wish. But the ceremonies are not the only part of Satanism that outsiders might find disturbing. "We’re for all seven deadly sins," Allee said. Allee also believes animal sacrifice should be legal, though he says he does not practice it himself; that drugs should be legalized, though he says he does not use them; and that age of consent laws for sexual activity — 16 in Massachusetts — should be revoked, though he does not advocate violating them while they remain on the books. "Many people bemoan the fact that puberty occurs so young," Egan writes on the church’s Web site. "As a Satanist, I am here to tell you that nature doesn’t make mistakes, people do. … When a child reaches puberty, which is the age of sexual consent, you have no right to determine who their sexual partners will or won’t be." Allee, a 51-year-old Chelsea native, served briefly in the military, but was invited to leave (with an honorable discharge) when his satanic views were discovered. He does not work full time, but helps to manage a Web site for his brother. Gathering of 20 Despite his unorthodox beliefs, Allee has a significant following. Members of the First Church of Satan do not meet regularly in person, and Allee expects an upcoming gathering to draw only about 20 people. But the church’s online chat group has nearly 500 active members, and Allee has sent out hundreds of $35 membership kits, complete with certificate of membership and pentacle amulet. The movement as a whole is even larger; Allee founded his church six years ago after splitting from the Church of Satan, and an Internet search yields Web sites for the First Satanic Church, the Church of Lucifer, the Devil’s Church, the Satanic Council and even a McSatan’s. Allee plans to reach out to new members with a cable access show, complete with puppets, and he already broadcasts a free radio show online. He has also released a compact disc, "Dark Passion," with such songs as "Route 66," Rodgers and Hammerstein’s "It Might As Well Be Spring," and "That Old Black Magic." If the image of a satanic high priest singing show tunes in his high-rise apartment seems comical, Allee said he is working toward a day when it does not. He says he wants to make Satanism a mainstream alternative religion. He still has a long way to go. Rebellious teen-agers still make up much of Satanism’s ranks, and Satanists frequent Internet chat rooms more than physical chapels. Infighting among different Satanist groups is rampant, and even Allee said that "half of the people I call Satanists I just don’t care for." But Allee said his commitment to free speech and self-sovereignty will draw people to his church. "I want to see us set an example so the others will follow," Allee said. "I’m going to do everything to enhance our image." End of article