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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:43:40 +0100, "Alias" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<alsoknownandfo…@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote: >Nirvana is the Buddhist counterpart to Heaven in xtianity. Earlier forms of >Buddhism (Hinayana) had 500 commandments for women and 250 for men which >were basic helath, moral and ethical codes. If you followed the >commandments, you would go to Nirvana, or Heaven. If you didn’t, there were >a variety of horrible hells you might be sent to. Of course, the Lord Buddha >above was overseeing his children and keeping score. Sound familiar? The >next form of Buddhism is called Provisional Mahayana Buddhism and Zen, >Nembutsu and many others are this type of Buddhism. This Buddhism says that >the world is very cruel and there’s really nothing you can do about it but >separate your mind from your body and attain a "spiritual Enlightenment". >Both are provisional Buddhism, which is no longer valid in the Age of Mappo, >The Defiled Age, which started about 1000 years ago just like Christianity, >Islam, Judaism and the rest. We were only taught that to be able to accept, >although difficult, the Higher Vehicle that will take us accross the "Sea of >Suffering". The difference is that before you had to wait until after you >die to become a Buddha. In the sect I belong to, it is believed that one >doesn’t have to wait, one can become a Buddha just as you are in the real >world. It is Nichiren Buddhism, based on Sakyamuni’s highest teachings, the >Lotus Sutra.
Namu myoho renge kyo. There still some kind of war going on between the buddhist priests and the layman trying to run the show?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Michael, >Not one day goes by where I do not contemplate suicide. I have planned for >this, and have all the necessary materials, just in case… >The only one close to me now is my 17 y.o. daughter, who does not live with >me anymore.She did not want to take care of a disabled old man. Neither do >I. >I think the only reason I have not done it yet, is my belief in god, and in >church we are told it is a mortal sin.Sometimes, though, when I am hurting >and alone,(which is most of the time), it does look pretty good to me. At >least I will not be in pain anymore. I will not do it to punish anyone, nor >make anyone feel guilty, if I do it, the only reason will be to stop the >pain and loneliness. Reading your post made me cry, which I do more than I >ever did before. I’ll keep reading and posting, until I can not stand the >pain, disappointment, and loneliness anymore.Thanks. >John
John, Listen up, 17 year olds don’t give a crap about anyone but themselves. Did you? It’s rare. That’s just how it is, so don’t cop out on her. You’re the parent act like one. She needs you. It isn’t till they mature more, that they see anything beyond what they want. You need a doctor, but most of all you need honesty, and it starts with yourself. Did you ever go see if you could help someone worse off than you? Do it, there is always someone that has it worse than you. To make a friend you need to be a friend, to get help you must help. Today you need both, so be the friend you need and help yourself. You have a knack for telling a story, support yourself by writing something. See if you can peddle it to someone, submit it to a newspaper or newsletter for the VA or something. Don’t know how, you sir, have the Internet, no excuse. Do something, get your mind off your circumstance. If you want more ideas, write me. Maybe when you get some quantity of purpose you will get quantity of purse. When your daughter sees something in you she will see you and not your illness. I only want the best for you John, this is straight talk from me, not to drive you down but to lift you up. I used to work in a clinic where we had destitute people who had no purpose because they had no purse, the ones who succeed were the ones who changed the saying around. I was also a hospice nurse, and have seen the regret some have shown for their wasted years. You are college educated, you own your own place, you have a child. That is more than other people have and don’t throw them away. You will deliberately scar that girl, who being your child shouldn’t have to deal with someone that sucks the life from her. Nothing makes me angrier John, do you want this pain and anger for your daughter? eileen
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Re: Just felt like posting this.. Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2004, 1:07pm (CST+1) From: tobees…@webtv.net a Christian should consider all things. And reconsider all bad things. You will die by God’s hand. When he deems your time to die. Not the day before nor the day after. You say you love people in your life. You dont want to inflict the pain onto those you love. Suicide is very selfish. Selfishness is when we put ourselves before others. If you are dying, show your daughter how to die. With dignity long with the pain. Dont hurt the ones you love. Your pain is bad enough. You would step out of your pain only to inflict pain on your daughter? Dont do that. You dont want others to hurt. ///////////// That’s the most intelligent and caring thing I’ve ever heard you say, Randy. :-) Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
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The Age of Mappo? ahahahahahaha Was he related to Harpo and Zeppo? Sorry, but I can’t help but laugh at you and your ‘roids. Did Buddha use a bidet too, or did he wipe his ass with Eucayptus leaves? Elmo Nirvana is the Buddhist counterpart to Heaven in xtianity. Earlier forms of Buddhism (Hinayana) had 500 commandments for women and 250 for men which were basic helath, moral and ethical codes. If you followed the commandments, you would go to Nirvana, or Heaven. If you didn’t, there were a variety of horrible hells you might be sent to. Of course, the Lord Buddha above was overseeing his children and keeping score. Sound familiar? The next form of Buddhism is called Provisional Mahayana Buddhism and Zen, Nembutsu and many others are this type of Buddhism. This Buddhism says that the world is very cruel and there’s really nothing you can do about it but separate your mind from your body and attain a "spiritual Enlightenment". Both are provisional Buddhism, which is no longer valid in the Age of Mappo, The Defiled Age, which started about 1000 years ago just like Christianity, Islam, Judaism and the rest. We were only taught that to be able to accept, although difficult, the Higher Vehicle that will take us accross the "Sea of Suffering". The difference is that before you had to wait until after you die to become a Buddha. In the sect I belong to, it is believed that one doesn’t have to wait, one can become a Buddha just as you are in the real world. It is Nichiren Buddhism, based on Sakyamuni’s highest teachings, the Lotus Sutra. Alias "Cactus Jammies" <n…@joshuatree.nemor> wrote in message
news:t1ntd.327156$9b.276845@edtnps84… Alias well I guess that eventuality although beyond the void as we know it, is the only place we’re going so it doesn’t matter anyway. you may have something with your assumption that I cannot make judgements because of what my culture has done to my perspectives. but so far I am at peace with it. sorry about the mixup on the sects, I guess nirvana is zen, then? da da Cactus Jammies "Alias" <alsoknownandfo…@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
news:UAmtd.3027$US.1489@news.ono.com… "Cactus Jammies" <n…@joshuatree.nemor> wrote Alias, I agree with Gordo here. You shouldn’t be doing this. Would a compassionate Buddhist really taunt someone’s ultimate fear? Would they not instead try and connect their positive energies if they have them with those are wavering and need a hand. I know you’re dedicated and you feel there is stuff worth prosthelizing according to your take of the faith in satori or whereever you want to be. Please take it easy here, in this case buddy. thanks Cactus Jammies You are mistaking "compassionate Christianity" with Buddhism. Cause and effect is strict. For example, even if you believe you can fly, if you jump off a roof you will fall, whether you believe in gravity or not. In fact, all of you believe and have faith in cause and effect. You have faith that the building you are sitting in right now will not collapse on top of you or be hit by a plane, etc. The problem you have is not knowing the cause you can make to override any negative effects that may come your way. Your solution is to weather it out and keep the faith in a non existant god. Pfft. Alias P.S. "Satori" is Zen Buddhism. I am not a Zen Buddhist. "Gordo Mondragon" <ga_mondra…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ga_mondragon-66F5D8.11373407122004@nyctyp01-ge0.rdc-nyc.rr.com… More delicate readers may want to skip this. In article <f7jtd.2982$US.1…@news.ono.com>, "Alias" <alsoknownandfo…@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote:
[....] Shrink? Are you kidding? Shrinks are more fucked up than their patients. Now, if he were a Buddhist rather than a Christian, he would see that suicide is not a good cause and all he is doing is postponing his suffering to the next lifetime which, due to the suicide, can only get worse. Ergo, unlike what your uninformed post says, suicide is not final. You stupid hateful self-centered one-note fuck. Other than sharing stories of your asshole pain, do you EVER think about posting anything other than your whiney "affirm me because I’m more highly evolved" cries for ego-stroking attention? Or is it the tired old usenet game of playing the proud misunderstood rebel when in fact you’re just an immature desperate wanking tosser who posts crap and takes pride when others point out that it stinks? How proud you must be, twisting a desperate man’s cries for help into yet another commercial for your massive superiority. You sound more like a fuckwit scientologist than any sort of practicing Buddhist that I’ve ever seen. What you don’t sound like is someone who gives a fuck about ANYTHING other than himself. Gordo My, my, must have struck a nerve. Old Gordito cannot respond to content and, instead, attacks my persona. By the time a shrink got through with this guy, he would end up jail, charged with attempted suicide. My suggestion would work. A shrink would not work. If you don’t like the message, address it, but there’s no need to attack my person. Alias http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
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Re: Just felt like posting this.. Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2004, 3:29pm (CST+7) From: alsoknownandfo…@maskedandanonymous.com (Alias) <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote Re: Just felt like posting this.. Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2004, 7:10am (CST+6) From: sbordonej…@hawaii.rr.com (Red Dwarf) Michael, Not one day goes by where I do not contemplate suicide. I have planned for this, and have all the necessary materials, just in case… The only one close to me now is my 17 y.o. daughter, who does not live with me anymore.She did not want to take care of a disabled old man. Neither do I. I think the only reason I have not done it yet, is my belief in god, and in church we are told it is a mortal sin.Sometimes, though, when I am hurting and alone,(which is most of the time), it does look pretty good to me. At least I will not be in pain anymore. I will not do it to punish anyone, nor make anyone feel guilty, if I do it, the only reason will be to stop the pain and loneliness. Reading your post made me cry, which I do more than I ever did before. I’ll keep reading and posting, until I can not stand the pain, disappointment, and loneliness anymore.Thanks. John //////// Get yourself to the shrink right away, John. Suicide is FINAL!! You won’t have a chance to change your mind and you won’t be around to see your plight get better, either. And you’ll hurt your family more than you’ll ever know. Like I said, call your shrink TODAY!!! Elmo <<<< Shrink? Are you kidding? Shrinks are more fucked up than their patients. Now, if he were a Buddhist rather than a Christian, he would see that suicide is not a good cause and all he is doing is postponing his suffering to the next lifetime which, due to the suicide, can only get worse. Ergo, unlike what your uninformed post says, suicide is not final. Alias ////////// Does your Buddha have ‘roids too, Cody? Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
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In article <KJntd.2082$dr.1…@news.ono.com>, "Alias" <alsoknownandfo…@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote:
[....] > In the sect I belong to, it is believed that one > doesn’t have to wait, one can become a Buddha just as you are in the real > world. It is Nichiren Buddhism, based on Sakyamuni’s highest teachings, the > Lotus Sutra.
I should have guessed. What a sad and tragic lot of infighting, slander, and bitterness. I’m not surprised that you feel at home there given what you’ve presented of yourself here. My favorite thing about your sect is the equivalence to the silly "Pray Until Something Happens" that’s popular in the states. One of my favorite surreal moments was watching a bunch of actors in Los Angeles chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo in pursuit of a part on a sitcom or even better, a commercial with good residuals. So, so spiritual. Gordo
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Nirvana is the Buddhist counterpart to Heaven in xtianity. Earlier forms of Buddhism (Hinayana) had 500 commandments for women and 250 for men which were basic helath, moral and ethical codes. If you followed the commandments, you would go to Nirvana, or Heaven. If you didn’t, there were a variety of horrible hells you might be sent to. Of course, the Lord Buddha above was overseeing his children and keeping score. Sound familiar? The next form of Buddhism is called Provisional Mahayana Buddhism and Zen, Nembutsu and many others are this type of Buddhism. This Buddhism says that the world is very cruel and there’s really nothing you can do about it but separate your mind from your body and attain a "spiritual Enlightenment". Both are provisional Buddhism, which is no longer valid in the Age of Mappo, The Defiled Age, which started about 1000 years ago just like Christianity, Islam, Judaism and the rest. We were only taught that to be able to accept, although difficult, the Higher Vehicle that will take us accross the "Sea of Suffering". The difference is that before you had to wait until after you die to become a Buddha. In the sect I belong to, it is believed that one doesn’t have to wait, one can become a Buddha just as you are in the real world. It is Nichiren Buddhism, based on Sakyamuni’s highest teachings, the Lotus Sutra. Alias "Cactus Jammies" <n…@joshuatree.nemor> wrote in message
news:t1ntd.327156$9b.276845@edtnps84… : Alias : well I guess that eventuality although beyond the void as we know it, is the : only place we’re going so it doesn’t matter anyway. : : you may have something with your assumption that I cannot make judgements : because of what my culture has done to my perspectives. but so far I am at : peace with it. : : sorry about the mixup on the sects, I guess nirvana is zen, then? : : da da : : Cactus Jammies : : "Alias" <alsoknownandfo…@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
: news:UAmtd.3027$US.1489@news.ono.com… : > : > "Cactus Jammies" <n…@joshuatree.nemor> wrote : > : > : Alias, I agree with Gordo here. You shouldn’t be doing this. Would a : > : compassionate Buddhist really taunt someone’s ultimate fear? Would they : > not : > : instead try and connect their positive energies if they have them with : > those : > : are wavering and need a hand. I know you’re dedicated and you feel : > there : > is : > : stuff worth prosthelizing according to your take of the faith in satori : > or : > : whereever you want to be. Please take it easy here, in this case buddy. : > : : > : thanks : > : : > : Cactus Jammies : > : > You are mistaking "compassionate Christianity" with Buddhism. Cause and : > effect is strict. For example, even if you believe you can fly, if you : > jump : > off a roof you will fall, whether you believe in gravity or not. : > : > In fact, all of you believe and have faith in cause and effect. You have : > faith that the building you are sitting in right now will not collapse on : > top of you or be hit by a plane, etc. The problem you have is not knowing : > the cause you can make to override any negative effects that may come your : > way. Your solution is to weather it out and keep the faith in a non : > existant : > god. : > : > Pfft. : > : > Alias : > : > P.S. "Satori" is Zen Buddhism. I am not a Zen Buddhist. : > : : > : "Gordo Mondragon" <ga_mondra…@yahoo.com> wrote in message : > : news:ga_mondragon-66F5D8.11373407122004@nyctyp01-ge0.rdc-nyc.rr.com… : > : > More delicate readers may want to skip this. : > : > : > : > In article <f7jtd.2982$US.1…@news.ono.com>, : > : > "Alias" <alsoknownandfo…@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote: : > : > : > : > [....] : > : > : > : >> Shrink? Are you kidding? Shrinks are more fucked up than their : > patients. : > : >> Now, if he were a Buddhist rather than a Christian, he would see that : > : >> suicide is not a good cause and all he is doing is postponing his : > : >> suffering : > : >> to the next lifetime which, due to the suicide, can only get worse. : > Ergo, : > : >> unlike what your uninformed post says, suicide is not final. : > : > : > : > You stupid hateful self-centered one-note fuck. Other than sharing : > : > stories of your asshole pain, do you EVER think about posting anything : > : > other than your whiney "affirm me because I’m more highly evolved" : > cries : > : > for ego-stroking attention? Or is it the tired old usenet game of : > : > playing the proud misunderstood rebel when in fact you’re just an : > : > immature desperate wanking tosser who posts crap and takes pride when : > : > others point out that it stinks? : > : > : > : > How proud you must be, twisting a desperate man’s cries for help into : > : > yet another commercial for your massive superiority. : > : > : > : > You sound more like a fuckwit scientologist than any sort of : > practicing : > : > Buddhist that I’ve ever seen. What you don’t sound like is someone : > who : > : > gives a fuck about ANYTHING other than himself. : > : > : > : > Gordo : > : > My, my, must have struck a nerve. Old Gordito cannot respond to content : > and, : > instead, attacks my persona. By the time a shrink got through with this : > guy, : > he would end up jail, charged with attempted suicide. My suggestion would : > work. A shrink would not work. If you don’t like the message, address it, : > but there’s no need to attack my person. : > : > Alias : > : : > : : > : > : :
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Quite the interesting posting, well done. Does trancedence enter this understanding, then? I don’t immediately see it in your response. And if a person under this type of Guidence towards a living Buddha state do they recognized for their liturgical work in the wider world, or is it a segregated sect and cut off? How does this determination get processed to the purer form thing? The reason I ask is that it looks as though the process for this determination would be quite worldly based from what you’ve written and not so much from the ethereal, if you don’t mind me using a generic term. Cactus Jammies "Alias" <alsoknownandfo…@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
news:KJntd.2082$dr.1217@news.ono.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nirvana is the Buddhist counterpart to Heaven in xtianity. Earlier forms > of > Buddhism (Hinayana) had 500 commandments for women and 250 for men which > were basic helath, moral and ethical codes. If you followed the > commandments, you would go to Nirvana, or Heaven. If you didn’t, there > were > a variety of horrible hells you might be sent to. Of course, the Lord > Buddha > above was overseeing his children and keeping score. Sound familiar? The > next form of Buddhism is called Provisional Mahayana Buddhism and Zen, > Nembutsu and many others are this type of Buddhism. This Buddhism says > that > the world is very cruel and there’s really nothing you can do about it but > separate your mind from your body and attain a "spiritual Enlightenment". > Both are provisional Buddhism, which is no longer valid in the Age of > Mappo, > The Defiled Age, which started about 1000 years ago just like > Christianity, > Islam, Judaism and the rest. We were only taught that to be able to > accept, > although difficult, the Higher Vehicle that will take us accross the "Sea > of > Suffering". The difference is that before you had to wait until after you > die to become a Buddha. In the sect I belong to, it is believed that one > doesn’t have to wait, one can become a Buddha just as you are in the real > world. It is Nichiren Buddhism, based on Sakyamuni’s highest teachings, > the > Lotus Sutra. > Alias > "Cactus Jammies" <n…@joshuatree.nemor> wrote in message > news:t1ntd.327156$9b.276845@edtnps84… > : Alias > : well I guess that eventuality although beyond the void as we know it, is > the > : only place we’re going so it doesn’t matter anyway. > : > : you may have something with your assumption that I cannot make > judgements > : because of what my culture has done to my perspectives. but so far I am > at > : peace with it. > : > : sorry about the mixup on the sects, I guess nirvana is zen, then? > : > : da da > : > : Cactus Jammies > : > : "Alias" <alsoknownandfo…@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message > : news:UAmtd.3027$US.1489@news.ono.com… > : > > : > "Cactus Jammies" <n…@joshuatree.nemor> wrote > : > > : > : Alias, I agree with Gordo here. You shouldn’t be doing this. Would > a > : > : compassionate Buddhist really taunt someone’s ultimate fear? Would > they > : > not > : > : instead try and connect their positive energies if they have them > with > : > those > : > : are wavering and need a hand. I know you’re dedicated and you feel > : > there > : > is > : > : stuff worth prosthelizing according to your take of the faith in > satori > : > or > : > : whereever you want to be. Please take it easy here, in this case > buddy. > : > : > : > : thanks > : > : > : > : Cactus Jammies > : > > : > You are mistaking "compassionate Christianity" with Buddhism. Cause > and > : > effect is strict. For example, even if you believe you can fly, if you > : > jump > : > off a roof you will fall, whether you believe in gravity or not. > : > > : > In fact, all of you believe and have faith in cause and effect. You > have > : > faith that the building you are sitting in right now will not collapse > on > : > top of you or be hit by a plane, etc. The problem you have is not > knowing > : > the cause you can make to override any negative effects that may come > your > : > way. Your solution is to weather it out and keep the faith in a non > : > existant > : > god. > : > > : > Pfft. > : > > : > Alias > : > > : > P.S. "Satori" is Zen Buddhism. I am not a Zen Buddhist. > : > : > : > : "Gordo Mondragon" <ga_mondra…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > : > : > news:ga_mondragon-66F5D8.11373407122004@nyctyp01-ge0.rdc-nyc.rr.com… > : > : > More delicate readers may want to skip this. > : > : > > : > : > In article <f7jtd.2982$US.1…@news.ono.com>, > : > : > "Alias" <alsoknownandfo…@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote: > : > : > > : > : > [....] > : > : > > : > : >> Shrink? Are you kidding? Shrinks are more fucked up than their > : > patients. > : > : >> Now, if he were a Buddhist rather than a Christian, he would see > that > : > : >> suicide is not a good cause and all he is doing is postponing his > : > : >> suffering > : > : >> to the next lifetime which, due to the suicide, can only get > worse. > : > Ergo, > : > : >> unlike what your uninformed post says, suicide is not final. > : > : > > : > : > You stupid hateful self-centered one-note fuck. Other than > sharing > : > : > stories of your asshole pain, do you EVER think about posting > anything > : > : > other than your whiney "affirm me because I’m more highly evolved" > : > cries > : > : > for ego-stroking attention? Or is it the tired old usenet game of > : > : > playing the proud misunderstood rebel when in fact you’re just an > : > : > immature desperate wanking tosser who posts crap and takes pride > when > : > : > others point out that it stinks? > : > : > > : > : > How proud you must be, twisting a desperate man’s cries for help > into > : > : > yet another commercial for your massive superiority. > : > : > > : > : > You sound more like a fuckwit scientologist than any sort of > : > practicing > : > : > Buddhist that I’ve ever seen. What you don’t sound like is > someone > : > who > : > : > gives a fuck about ANYTHING other than himself. > : > : > > : > : > Gordo > : > > : > My, my, must have struck a nerve. Old Gordito cannot respond to > content > : > and, > : > instead, attacks my persona. By the time a shrink got through with > this > : > guy, > : > he would end up jail, charged with attempted suicide. My suggestion > would > : > work. A shrink would not work. If you don’t like the message, address > it, > : > but there’s no need to attack my person. > : > > : > Alias > : > : > : > : > : > > : > > : > :
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Alias well I guess that eventuality although beyond the void as we know it, is the only place we’re going so it doesn’t matter anyway. you may have something with your assumption that I cannot make judgements because of what my culture has done to my perspectives. but so far I am at peace with it. sorry about the mixup on the sects, I guess nirvana is zen, then? da da Cactus Jammies "Alias" <alsoknownandfo…@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
news:UAmtd.3027$US.1489@news.ono.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Cactus Jammies" <n…@joshuatree.nemor> wrote > : Alias, I agree with Gordo here. You shouldn’t be doing this. Would a > : compassionate Buddhist really taunt someone’s ultimate fear? Would they > not > : instead try and connect their positive energies if they have them with > those > : are wavering and need a hand. I know you’re dedicated and you feel > there > is > : stuff worth prosthelizing according to your take of the faith in satori > or > : whereever you want to be. Please take it easy here, in this case buddy. > : > : thanks > : > : Cactus Jammies > You are mistaking "compassionate Christianity" with Buddhism. Cause and > effect is strict. For example, even if you believe you can fly, if you > jump > off a roof you will fall, whether you believe in gravity or not. > In fact, all of you believe and have faith in cause and effect. You have > faith that the building you are sitting in right now will not collapse on > top of you or be hit by a plane, etc. The problem you have is not knowing > the cause you can make to override any negative effects that may come your > way. Your solution is to weather it out and keep the faith in a non > existant > god. > Pfft. > Alias > P.S. "Satori" is Zen Buddhism. I am not a Zen Buddhist. > : > : "Gordo Mondragon" <ga_mondra…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > : news:ga_mondragon-66F5D8.11373407122004@nyctyp01-ge0.rdc-nyc.rr.com… > : > More delicate readers may want to skip this. > : > > : > In article <f7jtd.2982$US.1…@news.ono.com>, > : > "Alias" <alsoknownandfo…@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote: > : > > : > [....] > : > > : >> Shrink? Are you kidding? Shrinks are more fucked up than their > patients. > : >> Now, if he were a Buddhist rather than a Christian, he would see that > : >> suicide is not a good cause and all he is doing is postponing his > : >> suffering > : >> to the next lifetime which, due to the suicide, can only get worse. > Ergo, > : >> unlike what your uninformed post says, suicide is not final. > : > > : > You stupid hateful self-centered one-note fuck. Other than sharing > : > stories of your asshole pain, do you EVER think about posting anything > : > other than your whiney "affirm me because I’m more highly evolved" > cries > : > for ego-stroking attention? Or is it the tired old usenet game of > : > playing the proud misunderstood rebel when in fact you’re just an > : > immature desperate wanking tosser who posts crap and takes pride when > : > others point out that it stinks? > : > > : > How proud you must be, twisting a desperate man’s cries for help into > : > yet another commercial for your massive superiority. > : > > : > You sound more like a fuckwit scientologist than any sort of > practicing > : > Buddhist that I’ve ever seen. What you don’t sound like is someone > who > : > gives a fuck about ANYTHING other than himself. > : > > : > Gordo > My, my, must have struck a nerve. Old Gordito cannot respond to content > and, > instead, attacks my persona. By the time a shrink got through with this > guy, > he would end up jail, charged with attempted suicide. My suggestion would > work. A shrink would not work. If you don’t like the message, address it, > but there’s no need to attack my person. > Alias > : > :
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a Christian should consider all things. And reconsider all bad things. You will die by God’s hand. When he deems your time to die. Not the day before nor the day after. You say you love people in your life. You dont want to inflict the pain onto those you love. Suicide is very selfish. Selfishness is when we put ourselves before others. If you are dying, show your daughter how to die. With dignity long with the pain. Dont hurt the ones you love. Your pain is bad enough. You would step out of your pain only to inflict pain on your daughter? Dont do that. You dont want others to hurt.
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"Cactus Jammies" <n…@joshuatree.nemor> wrote : Alias, I agree with Gordo here. You shouldn’t be doing this. Would a : compassionate Buddhist really taunt someone’s ultimate fear? Would they not : instead try and connect their positive energies if they have them with those : are wavering and need a hand. I know you’re dedicated and you feel there is : stuff worth prosthelizing according to your take of the faith in satori or : whereever you want to be. Please take it easy here, in this case buddy. : : thanks : : Cactus Jammies You are mistaking "compassionate Christianity" with Buddhism. Cause and effect is strict. For example, even if you believe you can fly, if you jump off a roof you will fall, whether you believe in gravity or not. In fact, all of you believe and have faith in cause and effect. You have faith that the building you are sitting in right now will not collapse on top of you or be hit by a plane, etc. The problem you have is not knowing the cause you can make to override any negative effects that may come your way. Your solution is to weather it out and keep the faith in a non existant god. Pfft. Alias P.S. "Satori" is Zen Buddhism. I am not a Zen Buddhist. : : "Gordo Mondragon" <ga_mondra…@yahoo.com> wrote in message : news:ga_mondragon-66F5D8.11373407122004@nyctyp01-ge0.rdc-nyc.rr.com… : > More delicate readers may want to skip this. : > : > In article <f7jtd.2982$US.1…@news.ono.com>, : > "Alias" <alsoknownandfo…@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote: : > : > [....] : > : >> Shrink? Are you kidding? Shrinks are more fucked up than their patients. : >> Now, if he were a Buddhist rather than a Christian, he would see that : >> suicide is not a good cause and all he is doing is postponing his : >> suffering : >> to the next lifetime which, due to the suicide, can only get worse. Ergo, : >> unlike what your uninformed post says, suicide is not final. : > : > You stupid hateful self-centered one-note fuck. Other than sharing : > stories of your asshole pain, do you EVER think about posting anything : > other than your whiney "affirm me because I’m more highly evolved" cries : > for ego-stroking attention? Or is it the tired old usenet game of : > playing the proud misunderstood rebel when in fact you’re just an : > immature desperate wanking tosser who posts crap and takes pride when : > others point out that it stinks? : > : > How proud you must be, twisting a desperate man’s cries for help into : > yet another commercial for your massive superiority. : > : > You sound more like a fuckwit scientologist than any sort of practicing : > Buddhist that I’ve ever seen. What you don’t sound like is someone who : > gives a fuck about ANYTHING other than himself. : > : > Gordo My, my, must have struck a nerve. Old Gordito cannot respond to content and, instead, attacks my persona. By the time a shrink got through with this guy, he would end up jail, charged with attempted suicide. My suggestion would work. A shrink would not work. If you don’t like the message, address it, but there’s no need to attack my person. Alias : :
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Michael, Not one day goes by where I do not contemplate suicide. I have planned for this, and have all the necessary materials, just in case… The only one close to me now is my 17 y.o. daughter, who does not live with me anymore.She did not want to take care of a disabled old man. Neither do I. I think the only reason I have not done it yet, is my belief in god, and in church we are told it is a mortal sin.Sometimes, though, when I am hurting and alone,(which is most of the time), it does look pretty good to me. At least I will not be in pain anymore. I will not do it to punish anyone, nor make anyone feel guilty, if I do it, the only reason will be to stop the pain and loneliness. Reading your post made me cry, which I do more than I ever did before. I’ll keep reading and posting, until I can not stand the pain, disappointment, and loneliness anymore.Thanks. John
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"Red Dwarf" <sbordonej…@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:UHctd.3362$hd.3299@twister.socal.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Michael, > Not one day goes by where I do not contemplate suicide. I have planned for > this, and have all the necessary materials, just in case… > The only one close to me now is my 17 y.o. daughter, who does not live with > me anymore.She did not want to take care of a disabled old man. Neither do > I. > I think the only reason I have not done it yet, is my belief in god, and in > church we are told it is a mortal sin.Sometimes, though, when I am hurting > and alone,(which is most of the time), it does look pretty good to me. At > least I will not be in pain anymore. I will not do it to punish anyone, nor > make anyone feel guilty, if I do it, the only reason will be to stop the > pain and loneliness. Reading your post made me cry, which I do more than I > ever did before. I’ll keep reading and posting, until I can not stand the > pain, disappointment, and loneliness anymore.Thanks.
Pain is not fun John, especially not chronic pain. It just gets old..ya know. I can’t judge people who take that way out. I can honestly say that no matter what I was going through I never thought seriously about it. It’s such a permanent solution to what may be a temporary problem. Sometimes it’s good not to have a crystal ball <g>. If you don’t know the future you can certainly assume it’s going to get better. It already has. 4 years ago the life I had and the future I planned crumbled. Even the old addage "at least I have my health" didn’t apply. Today I can honestly say I am happy….and healthier than I have been even if I didn’t know it at the time <g>. I’m glad you made it this far John, glad your still plugging away. Keep it up, this too shall pass . AG
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I too had a close family member commit suicide. It had a huge effect on me at the time and took a long time to get over the anger. I’ll say a prayer for the both of you. Mark
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Re: Just felt like posting this.. Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2004, 7:10am (CST+6) From: sbordonej…@hawaii.rr.com (Red
