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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since you don’t want to take the few minutes to read what Hal Hesse actually wrote here is The Reader’s Digest version: are people not allowed to change in your mind? and no one ever mentions the aggression you, pete, chan fu, and others display…for what it is…aggression… so you assume you know what they are? inadequate therapy inadequate applicaton of buddhism.. i mirror petes threats and spoofs, and he takes it seriously ( as i intended)…as do you.. ( which would have been funny if it weren’t so pitiful). and you do not revile pete for making such threats????? or is that he is damaged and therefor beyond your lashing out… however mildly put…this tendency to protect one who survives by making his game, i am vile and damaged, prevents one from being truely compassionate with honesty… if you wish to play in this fashion, why not between you, chan fu and pete… every minor course in psychology and dealing with others will point out that to bring up things from the past and fling them at the person you are quarreling with, is unfair.. the people who bring up things from the past are frequenltly seeking to be correct, so they can survive in their righteouness, rather than simply move from moment to moment.. Ah, not to be stuck in the past or mired in some imagined future, to perceive the changing reality, to be mindful of the changing body-mind and of the possibility of change in all and everything, it’s the open heart, empty mind, dancing body way.
Unborn, undying, the dancing continues. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have observed that evie seems to be the only one who has demonstrated openly that she can learn from any situation… the rest seem stuck in their clinging to something… As the situation changes so should our perception of it and our appropriate action in it. whatever regard readers of trb have for your buddhist knowledge may be quickly put off by your obviously childish behavior… with regard to others, and more importantly, you obvious lack of skill in dealing with people you have judged to be this or that… how long has it been since you truely examined your beliefs of who evelyn might be…for we all know she surely isn’t that… that’s merely the eveie you have in your head… I assume Hal’s message was to Tang Huygen, n’est pas? (Did I spell his name right?) George
To Mr."Huyen", of that time…The Tang Huyen of then or now was never an entity…Hal seemed to have been calling on that now gone stage of some "Tang" to drop an argument that was over, and appy equal criticism to those who claimed to support him. Which some later "Mr. Huyen" did, as far as i saw. Noone is a mere caricature of themselves, stuck in an endless loop, unless they try to make themselves into that……and the oddly comforting thing about samsara is that there is an entropic factor at work, an arhythmia that makes ‘the best laid plans of mice and men go aglee’…so that even when we try to stick our heads in the sand it can’t last… …Some teachings refer to that as "Basic Goodness"… – best, – n.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Since you don’t want to take the few minutes to read what Hal Hesse actually wrote here is The Reader’s Digest version: are people not allowed to change in your mind? and no one ever mentions the aggression you, pete, chan fu, and others display…for what it is…aggression… so you assume you know what they are? inadequate therapy inadequate applicaton of buddhism.. i mirror petes threats and spoofs, and he takes it seriously ( as i intended)…as do you.. ( which would have been funny if it weren’t so pitiful). and you do not revile pete for making such threats????? or is that he is damaged and therefor beyond your lashing out… however mildly put…this tendency to protect one who survives by making his game, i am vile and damaged, prevents one from being truely compassionate with honesty… if you wish to play in this fashion, why not between you, chan fu and pete… every minor course in psychology and dealing with others will point out that to bring up things from the past and fling them at the person you are quarreling with, is unfair.. the people who bring up things from the past are frequenltly seeking to be correct, so they can survive in their righteouness, rather than simply move from moment to moment..
Ah, not to be stuck in the past or mired in some imagined future, to perceive the changing reality, to be mindful of the changing body-mind and of the possibility of change in all and everything, it’s the open heart, empty mind, dancing body way. i have observed that evie seems to be the only one who has demonstrated openly that she can learn from any situation… the rest seem stuck in their clinging to something…
As the situation changes so should our perception of it and our appropriate action in it. whatever regard readers of trb have for your buddhist knowledge may be quickly put off by your obviously childish behavior… with regard to others, and more importantly, you obvious lack of skill in dealing with people you have judged to be this or that… how long has it been since you truely examined your beliefs of who evelyn might be…for we all know she surely isn’t that… that’s merely the eveie you have in your head…
I assume Hal’s message was to Tang Huygen, n’est pas? (Did I spell his name right?) George
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Since you don’t want to take the few minutes to read what Hal Hesse actually wrote here is The Reader’s Digest version: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – are people not allowed to change in your mind? and no one ever mentions the aggression you, pete, chan fu, and others display…for what it is…aggression… so you assume you know what they are? inadequate therapy inadequate applicaton of buddhism.. i mirror petes threats and spoofs, and he takes it seriously ( as i intended)…as do you.. ( which would have been funny if it weren’t so pitiful). and you do not revile pete for making such threats????? or is that he is damaged and therefor beyond your lashing out… however mildly put…this tendency to protect one who survives by making his game, i am vile and damaged, prevents one from being truely compassionate with honesty… if you wish to play in this fashion, why not between you, chan fu and pete… every minor course in psychology and dealing with others will point out that to bring up things from the past and fling them at the person you are quarreling with, is unfair.. the people who bring up things from the past are frequenltly seeking to be correct, so they can survive in their righteouness, rather than simply move from moment to moment.. i have observed that evie seems to be the only one who has demonstrated openly that she can learn from any situation… the rest seem stuck in their clinging to something… whatever regard readers of trb have for your buddhist knowledge may be quickly put off by your obviously childish behavior… with regard to others, and more importantly, you obvious lack of skill in dealing with people you have judged to be this or that… how long has it been since you truely examined your beliefs of who evelyn might be…for we all know she surely isn’t that… that’s merely the eveie you have in your head…
You keep posting it, but you still haven’t read it. Says worlds about how quick and unobservant you are…You have a Cause and an Axe To Grind…the facts should never stand in your way. One of the more amusing features of the non-nichiren buddhist newsgroups is of course the prevalence of people with authority complexes. They like to speak in the imperative mood, on USENET, and to lie and posture.
The only person i see lying and posturing at the moment is you. It’s called "projection"… Since you can’t accept and deal with your arrogance and anger you project that onto others and villify them as being blah-blah-blah. If you would instead just deal what is actually said or happening you would have to deal with your own emotions/attidudes/Cause and the lying and guilt that results. Then they go grovel before a guru, who speaks to them in the imperative mood, lies and postures. Say a guru from Trungpa’s Shambhala cult, which is now disgraced.
The only "Guru" of the current Shambhala organization is Mipham rinpoche, a rather humble young monastic fellow, as you would know if you had ever met him. He would have gentle but stern words of advice for anyone who tried to "grovel" before him. And the Shambhala society is in no way "disgraced", as it continues to grow and mature around the world. That you refer to Shambhala as "Trungpa’s" rather than about Mipham just shows that you are living in the past, fighting past battles long gone and over…my friend Hal had something to say about that that is well worth reading…if you are still open to growing-up and maturing, if you do not hold yourself as already perfect. In alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan in particular, cult members who follow Trungpa’s disgraced Shambhala cult and/or The judicially disgraced Karma Kagyu "guru" Ogyen Thinley
An Indian Judge is not an authority over the Karma Kagyu in exile. They are there as refugees, and the only valid authority, judicially, is the Tibetan Government In Exile, which this single judge has chosen to ignore. Hence the case is being appealed to the Indian Government. have pretty much got the area for themselves. There are a few psychotics from the west coast who stumble in and act as stooges for these people: these psychotics think they are enlightened perfect masters in their own right.
Tad Perry is quite far from being "psychotic", which, if you had read his posts you would know. His father called him "the Great Buddha" when Tad was young and it has since been a wonderful place of ambiguity for him…’an ordinary person or enlightened, who’s to say?’ That ambiguity is the human condition…we have moments of clarity and moments of not-so-clear…There is some ambiguity between whic is which, some irony, and -humor-, and Tad Perry i quite aware of that. actually, one of them is from France. i don’t post about Geir. Ask Pema. On a sort of monthly cycle, the cult followers turn on their pet psychos, and the group has another record slow posting month, as they try to find fresh meat.
? Where do you get this fantasy? You might as well claim that everyother week we post in Esperanto… When they can’t, they recycle one of the four or so "perfect masters" as their stooges.
With trolls like you, who needs stooges. Stooge cheque issued to Len…Should that be in Reichmarks or Euros? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here, since it has been a subject of discussion, is Hal Hesse in his last post to usenet. Hal was the head of Old Free, a Buddhist (inter alia?) center. BTW, i notice that he singles out someone named "evvie" as a poster who threatened people. As this was hal’s last post before he died, and as hal was the head of a Buddhist center, perhaps someone could enlighten us who this "evvie" he censured is. Good night, and hank you. no record nuthing if you have any sense at all, you won’t read the below…enuff said????? h writes: yes, so we have those who believe that consistancy has virture..and often hold up standards of behavior that denotes one as buddist or not..and innocently respond, i but held up a coat, you put it on. where does it say in buddyism that consistance, vs. spontaneous behavior has virtue or not..? your standard seems not to allow for growth an dchange and exploration..the mainstays of buddhist awakeing and practice.some how it’s always a pissing contest…oh, it’s alwyas the other guy who starts it…but it takes two to dance together…it could just be dropped for another time, when things have cooled off a lot… are people not allowed to change in your mind? and no one ever mentions the aggression you, pete, chan fu, an dothers display…for what it is…aggression… are you doing this claiming to assist them in something, when they have not stated their goals in life.( surely you are not claiming to have assisted them in awakeing, cause they never display any signs of that…so what is it, merely unskillful on your part?).so you assume you know what they are? inadequate therapy , inadequate applicaton of buddhism..there, how does it feel to be held up to a standard you havn’t agreed to? i mirror petes threats and spoofs, and he takes it seriously( as i intended)…as do you..( which would have been funny if it weren’t so pitiful). because i am not consistantly this or that…that makes me something other than who i am? and what if i am flawed, i certainly am. but what business is that of yours..who set the rules for this group therapy…if it’s not therapy…it smells like aggression, feels like agression and gets old fast, like aggression. and you do not revile pete for making such threats?????or is that he is damaged and therefor beyond your lashing out…however mildly put…this tendency to protect one who survives by making his game, i am vile and damaged, prevents one from being truely compassionate with honesty…i protected petes right to say what he might whne someone complained to his server:..his social tourettes behavior is beyond the pale, which is why i simply ignore him…until i didn’t….buthis behavior with regard to threats changed…a lot…so he is capable of learning…something your attitude towards him does not facilitate.. if you wish to play in this fashion, why not between you, chan fu and pete…rather than some sort of bonding into a herd…and then denouce herd behavior? strange… it’s merely playground bullying..evie should know, she’s quit skilled at menacing…. actually i have found that i am seldom consistant, in any form…and if i am, it’s because a self is holding a value…if i drop the self, and the value….nothing is happening…the difference perhaps, is i don’t really give a shit about what anyone things of me… since almost always, they are dealing with the hal in their head, not me…they can’t deal with me…thru this medium and these shithouse walls. and hopefully enough of hal is gone, so no one notices him much anymore… so why do you cling to your demand that others behave in a consistant fashion and meet your standards…? are you merely trying to get others to do for you the therapy you need to do for yourself? and avoid consistantly. over and over… where is your experimental searching as buddy proposed? every minor course
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here, since it has been a subject of discussion, is Hal Hesse in his last post to usenet. Hal was the head of Old Free, a Buddhist (inter alia?) center. BTW, i notice that he singles out someone named "evvie" as a poster who threatened people. As this was hal’s last post before he died, and as hal was the head of a Buddhist center, perhaps someone could enlighten us who this "evvie" he censured is. Ah. One of the more interesting trolling efforts I have seen in some time – using a dead guy’s words to stir up trouble. You should be proud. For citing evidence, as opposed to accepting assertion? You should stick to the intellectual equivalent of midget-wrestling, with your fellow midgets. But, for the sake of "you should be proud," i’ll turn the tables: YOU should be proud, for as I was going over the evidence of what people this summer did on these newsgroups (with the head of internet security and several top officials where i work) two of them SHOUTED– "THESE ARE BUDDHISTS?!" Oh my. The actual head??
You’re right, of course: it’s much better to have the verbal support of some people on USENET. You can say "good post" and vouch for each other. On USENET. Good Job, Lee. You midgets must be proud. You know, the wheels of the truly well connected grind very slowly, but exceeding fine. An administrative response on several fronts, from my employer, is in the offing, and you had better yock it up now. Well, I’ll worry the next time I am in Singapore. Till then – yocking it up.
It certainly sounds that way ;-Q
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here, since it has been a subject of discussion, is Hal Hesse in his last post to usenet. Hal was the head of Old Free, a Buddhist (inter alia?) center. BTW, i notice that he singles out someone named "evvie" as a poster who threatened people. As this was hal’s last post before he died, and as hal was the head of a Buddhist center, perhaps someone could enlighten us who this "evvie" he censured is. Ah. One of the more interesting trolling efforts I have seen in some time – using a dead guy’s words to stir up trouble. You should be proud. For citing evidence, as opposed to accepting assertion? You should stick to the intellectual equivalent of midget-wrestling, with your fellow midgets. But, for the sake of "you should be proud," i’ll turn the tables: YOU should be proud, for as I was going over the evidence of what people this summer did on these newsgroups (with the head of internet security and several top officials where i work) two of them SHOUTED– "THESE ARE BUDDHISTS?!"
Oh my. The actual head?? Good Job, Lee. You midgets must be proud. You know, the wheels of the truly well connected grind very slowly, but exceeding fine. An administrative response on several fronts, from my employer, is in the offing, and you had better yock it up now.
Well, I’ll worry the next time I am in Singapore. Till then – yocking it up.
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One of the more amusing features of the non-nichiren buddhist newsgroups is of course the prevalence of people with authority complexes. They like to speak in the imperative mood, on USENET, and to lie and posture. Then they go grovel before a guru, who speaks to them in the imperative mood, lies and postures. Say a guru from Trungpa’s Shambhala cult, which is now disgraced. In alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan in particular, cult members who follow Trungpa’s disgraced Shambhala cult and/or The judicially disgraced Karma Kagyu "guru" Ogyen Thinley have pretty much got the area for themselves. There are a few psychotics from the west coast who stumble in and act as stooges for these people: these psychotics think they are enlightened perfect masters in their own right. actually, one of them is from France. On a sort of monthly cycle, the cult followers turn on their pet psychos, and the group has another record slow posting month, as they try to find fresh meat. When they can’t, they recycle one of the four or so "perfect masters" as their stooges. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Here, since it has been a subject of discussion, is Hal Hesse in his last post to usenet. Hal was the head of Old Free, a Buddhist (inter alia?) center. BTW, i notice that he singles out someone named "evvie" as a poster who threatened people. As this was hal’s last post before he died, and as hal was the head of a Buddhist center, perhaps someone could enlighten us who this "evvie" he censured is. Good night, and hank you. no record nuthing if you have any sense at all, you won’t read the below…enuff said????? h writes: yes, so we have those who believe that consistancy has virture..and often hold up standards of behavior that denotes one as buddist or not..and innocently respond, i but held up a coat, you put it on. where does it say in buddyism that consistance, vs. spontaneous behavior has virtue or not..? your standard seems not to allow for growth an dchange and exploration..the mainstays of buddhist awakeing and practice.some how it’s always a pissing contest…oh, it’s alwyas the other guy who starts it…but it takes two to dance together…it could just be dropped for another time, when things have cooled off a lot… are people not allowed to change in your mind? and no one ever mentions the aggression you, pete, chan fu, an dothers display…for what it is…aggression… are you doing this claiming to assist them in something, when they have not stated their goals in life.( surely you are not claiming to have assisted them in awakeing, cause they never display any signs of that…so what is it, merely unskillful on your part?).so you assume you know what they are? inadequate therapy , inadequate applicaton of buddhism..there, how does it feel to be held up to a standard you havn’t agreed to? i mirror petes threats and spoofs, and he takes it seriously( as i intended)…as do you..( which would have been funny if it weren’t so pitiful). because i am not consistantly this or that…that makes me something other than who i am? and what if i am flawed, i certainly am. but what business is that of yours..who set the rules for this group therapy…if it’s not therapy…it smells like aggression, feels like agression and gets old fast, like aggression. and you do not revile pete for making such threats?????or is that he is damaged and therefor beyond your lashing out…however mildly put…this tendency to protect one who survives by making his game, i am vile and damaged, prevents one from being truely compassionate with honesty…i protected petes right to say what he might whne someone complained to his server:..his social tourettes behavior is beyond the pale, which is why i simply ignore him…until i didn’t….buthis behavior with regard to threats changed…a lot…so he is capable of learning…something your attitude towards him does not facilitate.. if you wish to play in this fashion, why not between you, chan fu and pete…rather than some sort of bonding into a herd…and then denouce herd behavior? strange… it’s merely playground bullying..evie should know, she’s quit skilled at menacing…. actually i have found that i am seldom consistant, in any form…and if i am, it’s because a self is holding a value…if i drop the self, and the value….nothing is happening…the difference perhaps, is i don’t really give a shit about what anyone things of me… since almost always, they are dealing with the hal in their head, not me…they can’t deal with me…thru this medium and these shithouse walls. and hopefully enough of hal is gone, so no one notices him much anymore… so why do you cling to your demand that others behave in a consistant fashion and meet your standards…? are you merely trying to get others to do for you the therapy you need to do for yourself? and avoid consistantly. over and over… where is your experimental searching as buddy proposed? every minor course in psychology and dealing with others will point out that to bring up things from the past and fling them at the person you are quarreling with, is unfair.. it’s done, drop it. so why can’t you drop it? perhaps you could do a 12 step program for the past…surely someone does this? the people who bring up things from the past are frequenltly seeking to be correct, so they can survive in their righteouness, rather than simply move from moment to moment..if the coat of righteousness fits, wear it in good health. if not…merely drop it…or are you striving to protect yourself in this fashion, as pete uses his tourettes social syndrome for protection… as i said in a post to george…this resembles a stooge move so closely that one can only take it for a some sort of black comedy… i have observed that evie seems to be the only one who has demonstrated openly that she can learn from any situation…the rest seem stuck in their clinging to something… whatever regard readers of trb have for your buddhist knowledge may be quickly put off by your obviously childish behavior…with regard to others, and more importantly, you obvious lack of skill in dealing with people you have judged to be this or that…how long has it been since you truely examined your beliefs of who evelyn might be…for we all know she surely isn’t that…that’s merely the eveie you have in your head… and so once again i have used too many words so pick any six and ignore the rest..i wn’t remember it tomorrow anyway, and google won’t record it…so it can’t be flung up to me with any great success…"I" won’t be there to see it…someone else will be the i of that moment…if indeed there is an i. oh, and if you chose to respond to this, i wn’t read it…just as i advise you not to read this crap i have written…but then no one ever listens to me, and it’s just as well they don’t…giggl. h. oh, but feel free to comment…the audience will love it…and see great happenings in it..they might even make a movie of it…wonder who they will get to play the stooges? mind empty, body dancing…heart open and changing constantly, experimentally and allthat other shit….giggl h. and others who behave as
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… yup, sho’nuf
cuppie, don’t worry, they’re just being grandiose. it’ll be fine, the Lord is holding me in his arms. they won’t get away with any chicanery. justice will not be perverted. vainglorious people like that vastly overestimate themselves and underestimate the righteous. p.s. it wasn’t right for them to kick you when you were temporarily down. read the book of *Proverbs*. your friend in Christ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good night, and hank you. no record nuthing if you have any sense at all, you won’t read the below…enuff said????? h writes: yes, so we have those who believe that consistancy has virture..and often ho ld up standards of behavior that denotes one as buddist or not..and innocently res pond, i but held up a coat, you put it on. where does it say in buddyism that consistance, vs. spontaneous behavior has virtue or not..? your standard se ems not to allow for growth an dchange and exploration..the mainstays of buddhist aw akeing and practice.some how it’s always a pissing contest…oh, it’s alwyas the ot her guy who starts it…but it takes two to dance together…it could just be droppe d for another time, when things have cooled off a lot… are people not allowed to change in your mind? and no one ever mentions the aggression you, pete, chan fu, an dothers display…for what it is…aggress ion… are you doing this claiming to assist them in something, when they have not stated their goals in life.( surely you are not claiming to have assisted them in awakeing, cause they never display any signs of that…so what is it, merely unskillful on your part?).so you assume you know what they are? inadequate t herapy , inadequate applicaton of buddhism..there, how does it feel to be held up t o a standard you havn’t agreed to? i mirror petes threats and spoofs, and he takes it seriously( as i intended) …as do you..( which would have been funny if it weren’t so pitiful). because i am not consistantly this or that…that makes me something other than who i am? and what if i am flawed, i certainly am. but what business is that of yours. .who set the rules for this group therapy…if it’s not therapy…it smells like aggression, feels like agression and gets old fast, like aggression. and you do not revile pete for making such threats?????or is that he is dama ged and therefor beyond your lashing out…however mildly put…this tendency to pro tect one who survives by making his game, i am vile and damaged, prevents one fro m being truely compassionate with honesty…i protected petes right to say what he m ight whne someone complained to his server:..his social tourettes behavior is bey ond the pale, which is why i simply ignore him…until i didn’t….buthis behavior w ith regard to threats changed…a lot…so he is capable of learning…something your attitude towards him does not facilitate.. if you wish to play in this fashion, why not between you, chan fu and pete.. .rather than some sort of bonding into a herd…and then denouce herd behavior? stra nge… it’s merely playground bullying..evie should know, she’s quit skilled at menacing…. actually i have found that i am seldom consistant, in any form…and if i am , it’s because a self is holding a value…if i drop the self, and the value….not hing is happening…the difference perhaps, is i don’t really give a shit about what anyone things of me… since almost always, they are dealing with the hal in their head, not me…they can’t deal with me…thru this medium and these shithouse wall s. and hopefully enough of hal is gone, so no one notices him much anymore… so why do you cling to your demand that others behave in a consistant fashio n and meet your standards…? are you merely trying to get others to do for you t he therapy you need to do for yourself? and avoid consistantly. over and over.. . where is your experimental searching as buddy proposed? every minor course in psychology and dealing with others will point out that to bring up things from the past and fling them at the person you are quarrelin g with, is unfair.. it’s done, drop it. so why can’t you drop it? perhaps you could do a 12 st ep program for the past…surely someone does this? the people who bring up things from the past are frequenltly seeking to be correct, so they can survive in their righteouness, rather than simply move from moment to moment..if the coat of righteousness fits, wear it in good health . if not…merely drop it…or are you striving to protect yourself in this fashi on, as pete uses his tourettes social syndrome for protection… as i said in a post to george…this resembles a stooge move so closely that one can only take it for a some sort of black comedy… i have observed that evie seems to be the only one who has demonstrated open ly that she can learn from any situation…the rest seem stuck in their clinging to something… whatever regard readers of trb have for your buddhist knowledge may be quick ly put off by your obviously childish behavior…with regard to others, and more importantly, you obvious lack of skill in dealing with people you have judge d to be this or that…how long has it been since you truely examined your beliefs o f who evelyn might be…for we all know she surely isn’t that…that’s merely the eveie you have in your head… and so once again i have used too many words so pick any six and ignore the rest..i wn’t remember it tomorrow anyway, and google won’t record it…so it can’t b e flung up to me with any great success…"I" won’t be there to see it…someone el se will be the i of that moment…if indeed there is an i. oh, and if you chose to respond to this, i wn’t read it…just as i advise y ou not to read this crap i have written…but then no one ever listens to me, and i t’s just as well they don’t…giggl. h. oh, but feel free to comment…the audience will love it…and see great hap penings in it..they might even make a movie of it…wonder who they will get to play the stooges? mind empty, body dancing…heart open and changing constantly, experimentall y and allthat other shit….giggl h. and others who behave as
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Here, since it has been a subject of discussion, is Hal Hesse in his last post to usenet. Hal was the head of Old Free, a Buddhist (inter alia?) center. BTW, i notice that he singles out someone named "evvie" as a poster who threatened people. As this was hal’s last post before he died, and as hal was the head of a Buddhist center, perhaps someone could enlighten us who this "evvie" he censured is.
…uhm…are you sure you actually read -all- of what Hal wrote below that you quoted??? Because… "Evvie" (double v) is a nickname used by those who prejudge her. Note that Hal Hesse refers to her as "Evie". Then look at what he said: "it’s merely playground bullying..evie should know, she’s quit skilled at menacing…." This was said about a time when Ev’ thought Tang was -stalking- her (seeking to find out her adress, etc), and she posted in a forceful ‘non-victim’ tone as the police advise in such situations. It turned out that Tang was not stalking her, and Ev’ offered a full apology, hence Hal goes on to -praise- her: "i have observed that evie seems to be the only one who has demonstrated openly that she can learn from any situation…the rest seem stuck in their clinging to something…" And towards Pete and Fu’s "aggression" ( "no one ever mentions the aggression you, pete, chan fu, an dothers display…"): "…how long has it been since you truely examined your beliefs of who evelyn might be…for we all know she surely isn’t that…that’s merely the eveie you have in your head…" Hal Hesse’s last post singled Evie (not "Evvie") out for praise for being open minded and willing to change her views while he slammed Pete and Fu for being unwilling to change their views about her and he called them "aggressive". You re-posted it, and here it is again. Read it all the way through this time. ::: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good night, and hank you. no record nuthing if you have any sense at all, you won’t read the below…enuff said????? h writes: yes, so we have those who believe that consistancy has virture..and often hold up standards of behavior that denotes one as buddist or not..and innocently respond, i but held up a coat, you put it on. where does it say in buddyism that consistance, vs. spontaneous behavior has virtue or not..? your standard seems not to allow for growth an dchange and exploration..the mainstays of buddhist awakeing and practice.some how it’s always a pissing contest…oh, it’s alwyas the other guy who starts it…but it takes two to dance together…it could just be dropped for another time, when things have cooled off a lot… are people not allowed to change in your mind? and no one ever mentions the aggression you, pete, chan fu, an dothers display…for what it is…aggression… are you doing this claiming to assist them in something, when they have not stated their goals in life.( surely you are not claiming to have assisted them in awakeing, cause they never display any signs of that…so what is it, merely unskillful on your part?).so you assume you know what they are? inadequate therapy , inadequate applicaton of buddhism..there, how does it feel to be held up to a standard you havn’t agreed to? i mirror petes threats and spoofs, and he takes it seriously( as i intended)…as do you..( which would have been funny if it weren’t so pitiful). because i am not consistantly this or that…that makes me something other than who i am? and what if i am flawed, i certainly am. but what business is that of yours..who set the rules for this group therapy…if it’s not therapy…it smells like aggression, feels like agression and gets old fast, like aggression. and you do not revile pete for making such threats?????or is that he is damaged and therefor beyond your lashing out…however mildly put…this tendency to protect one who survives by making his game, i am vile and damaged, prevents one from being truely compassionate with honesty…i protected petes right to say what he might whne someone complained to his server:..his social tourettes behavior is beyond the pale, which is why i simply ignore him…until i didn’t….buthis behavior with regard to threats changed…a lot…so he is capable of learning…something your attitude towards him does not facilitate.. if you wish to play in this fashion, why not between you, chan fu and pete…rather than some sort of bonding into a herd…and then denouce herd behavior? strange… it’s merely playground bullying..evie should know, she’s quit skilled at menacing…. actually i have found that i am seldom consistant, in any form…and if i am, it’s because a self is holding a value…if i drop the self, and the value….nothing is happening…the difference perhaps, is i don’t really give a shit about what anyone things of me… since almost always, they are dealing with the hal in their head, not me…they can’t deal with me…thru this medium and these shithouse walls. and hopefully enough of hal is gone, so no one notices him much anymore… so why do you cling to your demand that others behave in a consistant fashion and meet your standards…? are you merely trying to get others to do for you the therapy you need to do for yourself? and avoid consistantly. over and over… where is your experimental searching as buddy proposed? every minor course in psychology and dealing with others will point out that to bring up things from the past and fling them at the person you are quarreling with, is unfair.. it’s done, drop it. so why can’t you drop it? perhaps you could do a 12 step program for the past…surely someone does this? the people who bring up things from the past are frequenltly seeking to be correct, so they can survive in their righteouness, rather than simply move from moment to moment..if the coat of righteousness fits, wear it in good health. if not…merely drop it…or are you striving to protect yourself in this fashion, as pete uses his tourettes social syndrome for protection… as i said in a post to george…this resembles a stooge move so closely that one can only take it for a some sort of black comedy… i have observed that evie seems to be the only one who has demonstrated openly that she can learn from any situation…the rest seem stuck in their clinging to something… whatever regard readers of trb have for your buddhist knowledge may be quickly put off by your obviously childish behavior…with regard to others, and more importantly, you obvious lack of skill in dealing with people you have judged to be this or that…how long has it been since you truely examined your beliefs of who evelyn might be…for we all know she surely isn’t that…that’s merely the eveie you have in your head… and so once again i have used too many words so pick any six and ignore the rest..i wn’t remember it tomorrow anyway, and google won’t record it…so it can’t be flung up to me with any great success…"I" won’t be there to see it…someone else will be the i of that moment…if indeed there is an i. oh, and if you chose to respond to this, i wn’t read it…just as i advise you not to read this crap i have written…but then no one ever listens to me, and it’s just as well they don’t…giggl. h. oh, but feel free to comment…the audience will love it…and see great happenings in it..they might even make a movie of it…wonder who they will get to play the stooges? mind empty, body dancing…heart open and changing constantly, experimentally and allthat other shit….giggl h. and others who behave as
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Here, since it has been a subject of discussion, is Hal Hesse in his last post to usenet. Hal was the head of Old Free, a Buddhist (inter alia?) center. BTW, i notice that he singles out someone named "evvie" as a poster who threatened people. As this was hal’s last post before he died, and as hal was the head of a Buddhist center, perhaps someone could enlighten us who this "evvie" he censured is. Good night, and hank you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – no record nuthing if you have any sense at all, you won’t read the below…enuff said????? h writes: yes, so we have those who believe that consistancy has virture..and often hold up standards of behavior that denotes one as buddist or not..and innocently respond, i but held up a coat, you put it on. where does it say in buddyism that consistance, vs. spontaneous behavior has virtue or not..? your standard seems not to allow for growth an dchange and exploration..the mainstays of buddhist awakeing and practice.some how it’s always a pissing contest…oh, it’s alwyas the other guy who starts it…but it takes two to dance together…it could just be dropped for another time, when things have cooled off a lot… are people not allowed to change in your mind? and no one ever mentions the aggression you, pete, chan fu, an dothers display…for what it is…aggression… are you doing this claiming to assist them in something, when they have not stated their goals in life.( surely you are not claiming to have assisted them in awakeing, cause they never display any signs of that…so what is it, merely unskillful on your part?).so you assume you know what they are? inadequate therapy , inadequate applicaton of buddhism..there, how does it feel to be held up to a standard you havn’t agreed to? i mirror petes threats and spoofs, and he takes it seriously( as i intended)…as do you..( which would have been funny if it weren’t so pitiful). because i am not consistantly this or that…that makes me something other than who i am? and what if i am flawed, i certainly am. but what business is that of yours..who set the rules for this group therapy…if it’s not therapy…it smells like aggression, feels like agression and gets old fast, like aggression. and you do not revile pete for making such threats?????or is that he is damaged and therefor beyond your lashing out…however mildly put…this tendency to protect one who survives by making his game, i am vile and damaged, prevents one from being truely compassionate with honesty…i protected petes right to say what he might whne someone complained to his server:..his social tourettes behavior is beyond the pale, which is why i simply ignore him…until i didn’t….buthis behavior with regard to threats changed…a lot…so he is capable of learning…something your attitude towards him does not facilitate.. if you wish to play in this fashion, why not between you, chan fu and pete…rather than some sort of bonding into a herd…and then denouce herd behavior? strange… it’s merely playground bullying..evie should know, she’s quit skilled at menacing…. actually i have found that i am seldom consistant, in any form…and if i am, it’s because a self is holding a value…if i drop the self, and the value….nothing is happening…the difference perhaps, is i don’t really give a shit about what anyone things of me… since almost always, they are dealing with the hal in their head, not me…they can’t deal with me…thru this medium and these shithouse walls. and hopefully enough of hal is gone, so no one notices him much anymore… so why do you cling to your demand that others behave in a consistant fashion and meet your standards…? are you merely trying to get others to do for you the therapy you need to do for yourself? and avoid consistantly. over and over… where is your experimental searching as buddy proposed? every minor course in psychology and dealing with others will point out that to bring up things from the past and fling them at the person you are quarreling with, is unfair.. it’s done, drop it. so why can’t you drop it? perhaps you could do a 12 step program for the past…surely someone does this? the people who bring up things from the past are frequenltly seeking to be correct, so they can survive in their righteouness, rather than simply move from moment to moment..if the coat of righteousness fits, wear it in good health. if not…merely drop it…or are you striving to protect yourself in this fashion, as pete uses his tourettes social syndrome for protection… as i said in a post to george…this resembles a stooge move so closely that one can only take it for a some sort of black comedy… i have observed that evie seems to be the only one who has demonstrated openly that she can learn from any situation…the rest seem stuck in their clinging to something… whatever regard readers of trb have for your buddhist knowledge may be quickly put off by your obviously childish behavior…with regard to others, and more importantly, you obvious lack of skill in dealing with people you have judged to be this or that…how long has it been since you truely examined your beliefs of who evelyn might be…for we all know she surely isn’t that…that’s merely the eveie you have in your head… and so once again i have used too many words so pick any six and ignore the rest..i wn’t remember it tomorrow anyway, and google won’t record it…so it can’t be flung up to me with any great success…"I" won’t be there to see it…someone else will be the i of that moment…if indeed there is an i. oh, and if you chose to respond to this, i wn’t read it…just as i advise you not to read this crap i have written…but then no one ever listens to me, and it’s just as well they don’t…giggl. h. oh, but feel free to comment…the audience will love it…and see great happenings in it..they might even make a movie of it…wonder who they will get to play the stooges? mind empty, body dancing…heart open and changing constantly, experimentally and allthat other shit….giggl h. and others who behave as
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Ah. One of the more interesting trolling efforts I have seen in some time – using a dead guy’s words to stir up trouble. You should be proud.
Bwahahaha! Ned
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Ah. One of the more interesting trolling efforts I have seen in some time – using a dead guy’s words to stir up trouble. You should be proud. Bwahahaha!
Nedd Dudd: i bet he’s even rubbing his butt hole, even as he laughs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ned
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Here, since it has been a subject of discussion, is Hal Hesse in his last post to usenet. Hal was the head of Old Free, a Buddhist (inter alia?) center. BTW, i notice that he singles out someone named "evvie" as a poster who threatened people. As this was hal’s last post before he died, and as hal was the head of a Buddhist center, perhaps someone could enlighten us who this "evvie" he censured is. Ah. One of the more interesting trolling efforts I have seen in some time – using a dead guy’s words to stir up trouble. You should be proud.
For citing evidence, as opposed to accepting assertion? You should stick to the intellectual equivalent of midget-wrestling, with your fellow midgets. But, for the sake of "you should be proud," i’ll turn the tables: YOU should be proud, for as I was going over the evidence of what people this summer did on these newsgroups (with the head of internet security and several top officials where i work) two of them SHOUTED– "THESE ARE BUDDHISTS?!" Good Job, Lee. You midgets must be proud. You know, the wheels of the truly well connected grind very slowly, but exceeding fine. An administrative response on several fronts, from my employer, is in the offing, and you had better yock it up now. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good night, and hank you. no record nuthing if you have any sense at all, you won’t read the below…enuff said????? h writes: yes, so we have those who believe that consistancy has virture..and often hold up standards of behavior that denotes one as buddist or not..and innocently respond, i but held up a coat, you put it on. where does it say in buddyism that consistance, vs. spontaneous behavior has virtue or not..? your standard seems not to allow for growth an dchange and exploration..the mainstays of buddhist awakeing and practice.some how it’s always a pissing contest…oh, it’s alwyas the other guy who starts it…but it takes two to dance together…it could just be dropped for another time, when things have cooled off a lot… are people not allowed to change in your mind? and no one ever mentions the aggression you, pete, chan fu, an dothers display…for what it is…aggression… are you doing this claiming to assist them in something, when they have not stated their goals in life.( surely you are not claiming to have assisted them in awakeing, cause they never display any signs of that…so what is it, merely unskillful on your part?).so you assume you know what they are? inadequate therapy , inadequate applicaton of buddhism..there, how does it feel to be held up to a standard you havn’t agreed to? i mirror petes threats and spoofs, and he takes it seriously( as i intended)…as do you..( which would have been funny if it weren’t so pitiful). because i am not consistantly this or that…that makes me something other than who i am? and what if i am flawed, i certainly am. but what business is that of yours..who set the rules for this group therapy…if it’s not therapy…it smells like aggression, feels like agression and gets old fast, like aggression. and you do not revile pete for making such threats?????or is that he is damaged and therefor beyond your lashing out…however mildly put…this tendency to protect one who survives by making his game, i am vile and damaged, prevents one from being truely compassionate with honesty…i protected petes right to say what he might whne someone complained to his server:..his social tourettes behavior is beyond the pale, which is why i simply ignore him…until i didn’t….buthis behavior with regard to threats changed…a lot…so he is capable of learning…something your attitude towards him does not facilitate.. if you wish to play in this fashion, why not between you, chan fu and pete…rather than some sort of bonding into a herd…and then denouce herd behavior? strange… it’s merely playground bullying..evie should know, she’s quit skilled at menacing…. actually i have found that i am seldom consistant, in any form…and if i am, it’s because a self is holding a value…if i drop the self, and the value….nothing is happening…the difference perhaps, is i don’t really give a shit about what anyone things of me… since almost always, they are dealing with the hal in their head, not me…they can’t deal with me…thru this medium and these shithouse walls. and hopefully enough of hal is gone, so no one notices him much anymore… so why do you cling to your demand that others behave in a consistant fashion and meet your standards…? are you merely trying to get others to do for you the therapy you need to do for yourself? and avoid consistantly. over and over… where is your experimental searching as buddy proposed? every minor course in psychology and dealing with others will point out that to bring up things from the past and fling them at the person you are quarreling with, is unfair.. it’s done, drop it. so why can’t you drop it? perhaps you could do a 12 step program for the past…surely someone does this? the people who bring up things from the past are frequenltly seeking to be correct, so they can survive in their righteouness, rather than simply move from moment to moment..if the coat of righteousness fits, wear it in good health. if not…merely drop it…or are you striving to protect yourself in this fashion, as pete uses his tourettes social syndrome for protection… as i said in a post to george…this resembles a stooge move so closely that one can only take it for a some sort of black comedy… i have observed that evie seems to be the only one who has demonstrated openly that she can learn from any situation…the rest seem stuck in their clinging to something… whatever regard readers of trb have for your buddhist knowledge may be quickly put off by your obviously childish behavior…with regard to others, and more importantly, you obvious lack of skill in dealing with people you have judged to be this or that…how long has it been since you truely examined your beliefs of who evelyn might be…for we all know she surely isn’t that…that’s merely the eveie you have in your head… and so once again i have used too many words so pick any six and ignore the rest..i wn’t remember it tomorrow anyway, and google won’t record it…so it can’t be flung up to me with any great success…"I" won’t be there to see it…someone else will be the i of that moment…if indeed there is an i. oh, and if you chose to respond to this, i wn’t read it…just as i advise you not to read this crap i have written…but then no one ever listens to me, and it’s just as well they don’t…giggl. h. oh, but feel free to comment…the audience will love it…and see great happenings in it..they might even make a movie of it…wonder who they will get to play the stooges? mind empty, body dancing…heart open and changing constantly, experimentally and allthat other shit….giggl h. and others who behave as
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: Hal Hesse’s last post _Mutatis Mutandis_ Reply to: [1]Lee Dillion Newsgroups: [2]talk.religion.buddhism, [3]alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan, [4]alt.religion.buddhism, [5]alt.religion.buddhism.nicheren, [6]alt.zen Followup to: [7]newsgroups References: Here, since it has been a subject of discussion, is Hal Hesse in his last post to usenet. Hal was the head of Old Free, a Buddhist (inter alia?) center. BTW, i notice that he singles out someone named "evvie" as a poster who threatened people. As this was hal’s last post before he died, and as hal was the head of a Buddhist center, perhaps someone could enlighten us who this "evvie" he censured is. Ah. One of the more interesting trolling efforts I have seen in some time – using a dead guy’s words to stir up trouble. You should be proud.
well, they’ve dug up poor ol’ Hal Hesse again, and the last reports we’ve got iz that he’s still dead … yup, sho’nuf – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good night, and hank you. no record nuthing if you have any sense at all, you won’t read the below…enuff said????? h writes: yes, so we have those who believe that consistancy has virture..and often ho ld up standards of behavior that denotes one as buddist or not..and innocently res pond, i but held up a coat, you put it on. where does it say in buddyism that consistance, vs. spontaneous behavior has virtue or not..? your standard se ems not to allow for growth an dchange and exploration..the mainstays of buddhist aw akeing and practice.some how it’s always a pissing contest…oh, it’s alwyas the ot her guy who starts it…but it takes two to dance together…it could just be droppe d for another time, when things have cooled off a lot… are people not allowed to change in your mind? and no one ever mentions the aggression you, pete, chan fu, an dothers display…for what it is…aggress ion… are you doing this claiming to assist them in something, when they have not stated their goals in life.( surely you are not claiming to have assisted them in awakeing, cause they never display any signs of that…so what is it, merely unskillful on your part?).so you assume you know what they are? inadequate t herapy , inadequate applicaton of buddhism..there, how does it feel to be held up t o a standard you havn’t agreed to? i mirror petes threats and spoofs, and he takes it seriously( as i intended) …as do you..( which would have been funny if it weren’t so pitiful). because i am not consistantly this or that…that makes me something other than who i am? and what if i am flawed, i certainly am. but what business is that of yours. .who set the rules for this group therapy…if it’s not therapy…it smells like aggression, feels like agression and gets old fast, like aggression. and you do not revile pete for making such threats?????or is that he is dama ged and therefor beyond your lashing out…however mildly put…this tendency to pro tect one who survives by making his game, i am vile and damaged, prevents one fro m being truely compassionate with honesty…i protected petes right to say what he m ight whne someone complained to his server:..his social tourettes behavior is bey ond the pale, which is why i simply ignore him…until i didn’t….buthis behavior w ith regard to threats changed…a lot…so he is capable of learning…something your attitude towards him does not facilitate.. if you wish to play in this fashion, why not between you, chan fu and pete.. .rather than some sort of bonding into a herd…and then denouce herd behavior? stra nge… it’s merely playground bullying..evie should know, she’s quit skilled at menacing…. actually i have found that i am seldom consistant, in any form…and if i am , it’s because a self is holding a value…if i drop the self, and the value….not hing is happening…the difference perhaps, is i don’t really give a shit about what anyone things of me… since almost always, they are dealing with the hal in their head, not me…they can’t deal with me…thru this medium and these shithouse wall s. and hopefully enough of hal is gone, so no one notices him much anymore… so why do you cling to your demand that others behave in a consistant fashio n and meet your standards…? are you merely trying to get others to do for you t he therapy you need to do for yourself? and avoid consistantly. over and over.. . where is your experimental searching as buddy proposed? every minor course in psychology and dealing with others will point out that to bring up things from the past and fling them at the person you are quarrelin g with, is unfair.. it’s done, drop it. so why can’t you drop it? perhaps you could do a 12 st ep program for the past…surely someone does this? the people who bring up things from the past are frequenltly seeking to be correct, so they can survive in their righteouness, rather than simply move from moment to moment..if the coat of righteousness fits, wear it in good health . if not…merely drop it…or are you striving to protect yourself in this fashi on, as pete uses his tourettes social syndrome for protection… as i said in a post to george…this resembles a stooge move so closely that one can only take it for a some sort of black comedy… i have observed that evie seems to be the only one who has demonstrated open ly that she can learn from any situation…the rest seem stuck in their clinging to something… whatever regard readers of trb have for your buddhist knowledge may be quick ly put off by your obviously childish behavior…with regard to others, and more importantly, you obvious lack of skill in dealing with people you have judge d to be this or that…how long has it been since you truely examined your beliefs o f who evelyn might be…for we all know she surely isn’t that…that’s merely the eveie you have in your head… and so once again i have used too many words so pick any six and ignore the rest..i wn’t remember it tomorrow anyway, and google won’t record it…so it can’t b e flung up to me with any great success…"I" won’t be there to see it…someone el se will be the i of that moment…if indeed there is an i. oh, and if you chose to respond to this, i wn’t read it…just as i advise y ou not to read this crap i have written…but then no one ever listens to me, and i t’s just as well they don’t…giggl. h. oh, but feel free to comment…the audience will love it…and see great hap penings in it..they might even make a movie of it…wonder who they will get to play the stooges? mind empty, body dancing…heart open and changing constantly, experimentall y and allthat other shit….giggl h. and others who behave as
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Here, since it has been a subject of discussion, is Hal Hesse in his last post to usenet. Hal was the head of Old Free, a Buddhist (inter alia?) center. BTW, i notice that he singles out someone named "evvie" as a poster who threatened people. As this was hal’s last post before he died, and as hal was the head of a Buddhist center, perhaps someone could enlighten us who this "evvie" he censured is.
Ah. One of the more interesting trolling efforts I have seen in some time – using a dead guy’s words to stir up trouble. You should be proud. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good night, and hank you. no record nuthing if you have any sense at all, you won’t read the below…enuff said????? h writes: yes, so we have those who believe that consistancy has virture..and often hold up standards of behavior that denotes one as buddist or not..and innocently respond, i but held up a coat, you put it on. where does it say in buddyism that consistance, vs. spontaneous behavior has virtue or not..? your standard seems not to allow for growth an dchange and exploration..the mainstays of buddhist awakeing and practice.some how it’s always a pissing contest…oh, it’s alwyas the other guy who starts it…but it takes two to dance together…it could just be dropped for another time, when things have cooled off a lot… are people not allowed to change in your mind? and no one ever mentions the aggression you, pete, chan fu, an dothers display…for what it is…aggression… are you doing this claiming to assist them in something, when they have not stated their goals in life.( surely you are not claiming to have assisted them in awakeing, cause they never display any signs of that…so what is it, merely unskillful on your part?).so you assume you know what they are? inadequate therapy , inadequate applicaton of buddhism..there, how does it feel to be held up to a standard you havn’t agreed to? i mirror petes threats and spoofs, and he takes it seriously( as i intended)…as do you..( which would have been funny if it weren’t so pitiful). because i am not consistantly this or that…that makes me something other than who i am? and what if i am flawed, i certainly am. but what business is that of yours..who set the rules for this group therapy…if it’s not therapy…it smells like aggression, feels like agression and gets old fast, like aggression. and you do not revile pete for making such threats?????or is that he is damaged and therefor beyond your lashing out…however mildly put…this tendency to protect one who survives by making his game, i am vile and damaged, prevents one from being truely compassionate with honesty…i protected petes right to say what he might whne someone complained to his server:..his social tourettes behavior is beyond the pale, which is why i simply ignore him…until i didn’t….buthis behavior with regard to threats changed…a lot…so he is capable of learning…something your attitude towards him does not facilitate.. if you wish to play in this fashion, why not between you, chan fu and pete…rather than some sort of bonding into a herd…and then denouce herd behavior? strange… it’s merely playground bullying..evie should know, she’s quit skilled at menacing…. actually i have found that i am seldom consistant, in any form…and if i am, it’s because a self is holding a value…if i drop the self, and the value….nothing is happening…the difference perhaps, is i don’t really give a shit about what anyone things of me… since almost always, they are dealing with the hal in their head, not me…they can’t deal with me…thru this medium and these shithouse walls. and hopefully enough of hal is gone, so no one notices him much anymore… so why do you cling to your demand that others behave in a consistant fashion and meet your standards…? are you merely trying to get others to do for you the therapy you need to do for yourself? and avoid consistantly. over and over… where is your experimental searching as buddy proposed? every minor course in psychology and dealing with others will point out that to bring up things from the past and fling them at the person you are quarreling with, is unfair.. it’s done, drop it. so why can’t you drop it? perhaps you could do a 12 step program for the past…surely someone does this? the people who bring up things from the past are frequenltly seeking to be correct, so they can survive in their righteouness, rather than simply move from moment to moment..if the coat of righteousness fits, wear it in good health. if not…merely drop it…or are you striving to protect yourself in this fashion, as pete uses his tourettes social syndrome for protection… as i said in a post to george…this resembles a stooge move so closely that one can only take it for a some sort of black comedy… i have observed that evie seems to be the only one who has demonstrated openly that she can learn from any situation…the rest seem stuck in their clinging to something… whatever regard readers of trb have for your buddhist knowledge may be quickly put off by your obviously childish behavior…with regard to others, and more importantly, you obvious lack of skill in dealing with people you have judged to be this or that…how long has it been since you truely examined your beliefs of who evelyn might be…for we all know she surely isn’t that…that’s merely the eveie you have in your head… and so once again i have used too many words so pick any six and ignore the rest..i wn’t remember it tomorrow anyway, and google won’t record it…so it can’t be flung up to me with any great success…"I" won’t be there to see it…someone else will be the i of that moment…if indeed there is an i. oh, and if you chose to respond to this, i wn’t read it…just as i advise you not to read this crap i have written…but then no one ever listens to me, and it’s just as well they don’t…giggl. h. oh, but feel free to comment…the audience will love it…and see great happenings in it..they might even make a movie of it…wonder who they will get to play the stooges? mind empty, body dancing…heart open and changing constantly, experimentally and allthat other shit….giggl h. and others who behave as
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The key aspects to the right posture are: –a straight back — not ramrod straight — just straight enough to keep your chest, belly, and neck unconstricted to enable easy breathing; — balance — your head not tilting in any direction, and your body not leaning, and keep your legs and arms symmetrically placed; –relaxed muscles — at the start of your meditation, before focusing on the breath, do a body scan — consciously relax any areas of tension. 6. You might fall asleep. If you find you do that a lot, change the time of day you meditate to a time when you’re not tired. Many people prefer to meditate first thing in the morning. It’s good to wait at least 2 hours after eating so you don’t doze off. If you meditate with your eyes closed and you nod off, try meditating with your eyes open, or try walking meditation (there’s a download on that page for walking meditation). This is a simple and effective way of reducing mental and physical stress, of feeling more calm. I hope it’s useful for you. There is a wealth of information available online, in bookstores, and in libraries. I hope I have helped point you in a good starting direction. Peace to all, Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm 
